Be honest!

[ironman]

I have driven fast cars for many years now and I rarely get challenged at traffic lights, probably 2 or 3 times in the last 10 years. I sense if you look for it you'll find it...

Depends where you are I guess, I often travel through Luton and drive around Birmingham and a bright blue car with gold wheels that sounds like thunder just attracts the attention of fellow 'youths'. It's mostly Civics, Saxos, Golfs that tend to try it on, nothing of serious magnitude

 

[alex24]

No one is condoning using excess speed in towns/villages/built up areas. I expect the TLGP's people are talking about ITT are the ones on dual carriageways.




I agree.



I suspect the "lapses in concentration" were the reason why they crashed. Anyway, no one is condoning speeding in towns and this is reckless, dangerous and stupid and you WILL get caught out one day.



Why? How is me doing 80mph on a clear motorway endangering life?



Great, so i'm going to be staring at my speedo and i'm going to miss the fact that the whole motorway has ground to a halt and plow into the back of someone.



And why aren't they concentrating? Because they're probably worried about being caught speeding.



I live near plenty of great roads. Is it ok for me to be "obsessed" with performance car's now?

It's not for you to decide what's dangerous, that's why there are speed limits and the highway code, it's already been done for you on the most part. Taking the law into your own hands is illegal, and you will most likely get caught out. The law is also there to protect road users, not necessarily punish them. I get that you don't like speed cameras, I don't either, but if people can't drive in accordance with the law (and their license), they need to be forced. If nobody broke the law they wouldn't be there.

Anyone can have a passion for performance cars, but if it's been bought or tuned so that it can be driven dangerously it's not OK. If the car is just doing the daily commute, the chances are high performance mods aren't necessary, and most likely it will be driven a bit to aggressively. That's not a general rule by any means, lots of people enjoy tuning+upgrading just to drive sedately, they can. I just have a problem with idiots on the road who think it's a racetrack. That might not be you, I don't know you, though then again you could be a tool. I could also be lying and own a saxo that I thrash around the asda car park every saturday night. Who cares, this is just a discussion and they are my views.

 

[Matt82]

dear oh dear... safety by numbers solves nothing

 

[alex24]

60mph is not fast, nor does it feel fast on any NSL road.

It's called having fun m8, and 60mph on your average a / b road just isn't

A Lambo ain't built for the track, it's a road car...unless I'm mistaken.

It's called having fun potentially at somebody else's expense. 60 mph is supposed to be the max safe speed, so it shouldn't feel fast, that's why. I don't see why that's a reason why you should go faster.

The lambo can't be driven how it should on our roads, so to enjoy it, it needs to go somewhere where it can be driven properly. It's not a track car, but on the most part our roads are too small, congested and potentially very dangerous to drive the car properly.

 

[RedvGreen]

Heys

Reading around so many people repeat lines like 'save it for the track', 'i never get into races' etc etc...

With this being a motoring forum and a lot having higher perf cars, does no-one honestly exceed speed limits / traffic light gp / have abit of fun on the road from time to time ?

I'd admit to exceeding limits sometimes, but only for quick bursts where I think it's safe...

I also play traffic light GP when challenged, immature maybe but it's fun....

I think people should start being honest, I know it's cool to yell 'save it for the track' on the interweb, but if you really meant that, why have a high perf car on the road ?. No NSL road I know is actually fun at 60mph, not in the slightest... at 80+ they become fun.

Why have 300bhp if you never exceed 60mph ?

Just my 2 pence..

/Flukester runs and hides

(this post inspired by the morons who don't like being overtaken thread, that tbh had me spitting blood with some of the comments)

I said 'Save it for the Track' and I mean it emphatically.

The sorts of arsehattery that the quoted post I was referring to was absolutely unneeded on a public highway, if he was telling the truth that is (120MPH+???!!!!).

Yes, I have exceeded speed limits, and yes, I still creep up over the limit to what I deem safe (and the Government do not), but I religiously keep it below 10% +3 on a motorway according to ACPO advice. Simple as that. If there are speed cameras or SPECS then I will typically drop 5-10% beneath the indicated speed limit too.

Yes having a high performance car is a thrill and it's fun/stable to drive fast (if it's not stable you shouldn't be driving that fast) but you can still make the most of that performance within acceptable limits (traffic light drag UPTO and STOPPING at the speed limit - but not ragging your car within an inch of it's life, just a little bit extra throttle than normal is acceptable imho).

 

[Housey]

Depends where you are I guess, I often travel through Luton and drive around Birmingham and a bright blue car with gold wheels that sounds like thunder just attracts the attention of fellow 'youths'. It's mostly Civics, Saxos, Golfs that tend to try it on, nothing of serious magnitude

I avoid driving round town very well to be fair.

 

[ironman]

I avoid driving round town very well to be fair.

I try to, I live out in the sticks with some fantastic roads but whilst M1 J13 is being worked on I have to pass through Luton if I want to travel south

 

[BD10NNF]

It depends on what roads Im on, what time of day or night and if Im in a rush.

 

[Spunj99]

However I do have a REALLY big traffic light GP obsession! Just for the reactions (my car is a bit of a sleeper!) more than anything! Although generally this just manifests as a very quick blip "off the line" then back to normal driving.

Get some a really nice chats with people at lights and car parks/petrol stations from it so it's nice really, although a little more dangerous than if I didn't granted.

Nothing wrong with a traffic light GP, a lot of the time I'll just launch it and then sit at the speed limit and let the nobber in the S5/330 go past.

There's a Phones4U complex up the road from where I work so there's a constant supply of tards in BMW's to **** with when the opportunities arise.

 

[Gaygle]

It's not for you to decide what's dangerous, that's why there are speed limits

Well, it IS for me to decide what's dangerous, as i have ton's of 60mph roads near me that you'd have to literally be suicidal to do 60mph on, but i have other 60mph roads near me as wide/flat/straight as a runway. Why are they both 60mph? Because it's an arbitrary number rather than a reflection of how hazardous the road is.

and the highway code, it's already been done for you on the most part. Taking the law into your own hands is illegal, and you will most likely get caught out.

I probably will get caught out one day. But the difference is, i am able to judge what is appropriate for a given road, in given conditions, but a sign post is not. I respect 30 and 40 limits and never drive quickly along these roads, but when there an NSL which is clear, why shouldn't i drive to how hazardous it is? Try and answer this one without the usual "BUT IT'S THE LOR!11!!!" and use your own head and think about it.

The law is also there to protect road users, not necessarily punish them.

It failed to protect 28,567 in 2008. Yet only circa 6% (IIRC) (Source: DfT) of these were caused by excess speed?

I get that you don't like speed cameras, I don't either

I don't like them, because they're pointless. The government is using a blunt instrument to try and tackle a problem....like always.

 

[Moeks]

I do occasionally like to make a fast get away, but not very often and I don't do high speeds, just a bit of acceleration.

From time to time I get some one decide to try it on, that didn't really happen with the Jag but it did with the 330CI and the ST220 though, too early to tell with the 540i, doubt it will attract too much attention though. I did get someone in an old Impreza try to blast me off last week though, it didn't work. Let's just say I gave it some beans, there were no other cars around and it was dry so I thought, arhh what the hell, lets see what happens, NSL road and I had figured out all I wanted to know by 70mph anyway so no reason to do anyhing stupid.

But I rarely do that now, I usually just waft around these days

 

[peterattheboro]

I do occasionally like to make a fast get away, but not very often and I don't do high speeds, just a bit of acceleration.

From time to time I get some one decide to try it on, that didn't really happen with the Jag but it did with the 330CI and the ST220 though, too early to tell with the 540i, doubt it will attract too much attention though. I did get someone in an old Impreza try to blast me off last week though, it didn't work. Let's just say I gave it some beans, there were no other cars around and it was dry so I thought, arhh what the hell, lets see what happens, NSL road and I had figured out all I wanted to know by 70mph anyway so no reason to do anyhing stupid.

But I rarely do that now, I usually just waft around these days

Would have thought an Impreza (depending on model of course) would have beaten you if the driver had any form of talent.

 

[MikeHiow]

Ive got an international c race license and an ARDS class A .

I know people with National B that have been done for speeding, and I have had no issues with my MSA membership with three points for speeding either.

How do yours differ? I must admit, I do find it hard to believe that you'd lose them for something as trivial as speeding.

 

[L0rdMike]

Ive done nearly 3 times a roads speed limit before.

 

[DreXeL]

When I had my mad jap turbo-nutter stuff I fairly regularly 'played' with like minded people on the road. I like to think it was (nearly) always under 'safe' conditions, but thinking back some of it was just plain reckless and stupid

I don't bother 'playing' with other people at all in the Golf, mainly because it would probably lose against most things

I do enjoy a spirited b-road blast though, and regularly exceed the speed limit when doing so. Having said that, the fun comes with keeping the momentum up through the twisty stuff, so I don't need to go massively over the limit to have fun

 

[Gaygle]

I know people with National B that have been done for speeding, and I have had no issues with my MSA membership with three points for speeding either.

How do yours differ? I must admit, I do find it hard to believe that you'd lose them for something as trivial as speeding.

He said "driving like a nob", so i guess he could mean a careless driving/DD conviction.

 

[Moeks]

Would have thought an Impreza (depending on model of course) would have beaten you if the driver had any form of talent.

Yea that's what I thought too, it was making a lot of noise but it could not keep up. It was an old one, mid '90s model, had a carbon fiber/effect bonnet too, It probably wasn't running quite right would be my guess and or it was just a basic UK turbo model, nothing like a WRX.

 

[antijoke]

It probably wasn't a real turbo.

 

[Howard]

It probably wasn't a real turbo.

Yeah was probably just a 2.0 Sport or whatever they are - all show, no go

 

[Moeks]

Oh I think it was a turbo alright, would have to have been to have been as quick as it was, the none turbo goes like any other Japanese mid '90s NA shopping car. This one wasn't slow by any means. But if I recall, those standard 2.0 turbos are about 210bhp or so ? ...not the 275+ of the STi and WRX models.