Instead of slating Nvidia...

[Craterloads]

Instead of slating Nvidia, wouldn't it be just be better to congratulate ATI. I mean if ATI's 5 series cards sucked everyone would be all over fermi because at the end of the day they are very powerful graphics cards.

I dont know how ATI pulled it off with a smaller budget compared to Nvidia plus there rocky history, less development time, 6 months early etc the 5 series seem to be some cracking cards.

What do you think Nvidia fail or ATI have out done themselves this time round?

 

[Parsley]

A little from column A and a little from column B .

 

[d_brennen]

Have a good plan and stick to it. Ditch the bad plans.

 

[Randomface74]

From the heat perspective only I think Fermi will be fail, I can see it melting ppl's machines.

5850 is win from the heat perspective.

 

[Freddie1980]

The thing is although we all want competition to drive down prices IMO a lot of us at least subconsciously wanted Nvidia to fall flat on their face and get a good kicking because of the way they have behaved over the last couple of years.

- Fake cards passed of as the real thing
- Locking out AA on competitors cards in certain super hero games
- Removal of PhysX support if a Geforce card isn't the primary display card
- Outrageous pricing
- Old GPU's that are forever getting renamed and repackaged but are essentially the same
- Blacklisting of review sites like [H] when they reported on the GTS250 as a rebranded 9800GTX.

There are other minor things like there entire 8000 mobile chipset being inherently faulty but we can skip over that for the time being and concentrate on the present.

ATI have played it smart and there strategy to work on efficiency and getting the most out of the smallest chip you can possible design and manufacture is paying dividends for them. Nvidia are simple have there hands tied, the Fermi die size if so large and yields so poor ATI can cut the price of it's GPU's when it likes and still make a comfortable profit whereas Nvidia at $500 a chip retail is most likely selling at cost or just above.

 

[kylew]

Instead of slating Nvidia, wouldn't it be just be better to congratulate ATI. I mean if ATI's 5 series cards sucked everyone would be all over fermi because at the end of the day they are very powerful graphics cards.

I dont know how ATI pulled it off with a smaller budget compared to Nvidia plus there rocky history, less development time, 6 months early etc the 5 series seem to be some cracking cards.

What do you think Nvidia fail or ATI have out done themselves this time round?

People don't slate nVidia because they like ATi, they slate nVidia because they're deserving of it currently.

 

[D1ngd0ng]

In 12-24 months time it could quite easily be roles reversed. ATI could have reached the end of the line with the RV770 design and Nvidia could be hitting their straps with Fermi based chips.

Still quite happy to stick with my 5770's for a while yet (especially as ATI should refresh the line by the years end)

 

[Rroff]

The thing is although we all want competition to drive down prices IMO a lot of us at least subconsciously wanted Nvidia to fall flat on their face and get a good kicking because of the way they have behaved over the last couple of years.

- Fake cards passed of as the real thing
- Locking out AA on competitors cards in certain super hero games
- Removal of PhysX support if a Geforce card isn't the primary display card
- Outrageous pricing
- Old GPU's that are forever getting renamed and repackaged but are essentially the same
- Blacklisting of review sites like [H] when they reported on the GTS250 as a rebranded 9800GTX.

There are other minor things like there entire 8000 mobile chipset being inherently faulty but we can skip over that for the time being and concentrate on the present.

ATI have played it smart and there strategy to work on efficiency and getting the most out of the smallest chip you can possible design and manufacture is paying dividends for them. Nvidia are simple have there hands tied, the Fermi die size if so large and yields so poor ATI can cut the price of it's GPU's when it likes and still make a comfortable profit whereas Nvidia at $500 a chip retail is most likely selling at cost or just above.

Most of those are correct and appalling - but there is no locking out of AA on competitors cards. To say nVidia locked out AA in batman AA implies motive.

 

[Kharbyne]

To be fair given the time they had they deserve to be slated

 

[JTrickle]

I dont know how ATI pulled it off with a smaller budget compared to Nvidia plus there rocky history, less development time, 6 months early etc the 5 series seem to be some cracking cards.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3740

6 months early? Less development time? That should give you a better idea.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Dodgy link...

 

[MaxP779]

Instead of slating Nvidia, wouldn't it be just be better to congratulate ATI. I mean if ATI's 5 series cards sucked everyone would be all over fermi because at the end of the day they are very powerful graphics cards.

I dont know how ATI pulled it off with a smaller budget compared to Nvidia plus there rocky history, less development time, 6 months early etc the 5 series seem to be some cracking cards.

What do you think Nvidia fail or ATI have out done themselves this time round?

How do they have a smaller budget? Its AMD, they recently got that massive payoff from intel to drop the antitrust lawsuit, if anything its nvidia with the smaller budget.

I gather they pulled it off by testing out TSMC's 40nm process with their old 4770 cards rather than chance it with a brand new series, so they used the 4770 to get the kinks worked out so everything would be smooth for the 5xxx cypress cores.

 

[Rroff]

I was getting that with anand earlier too - guess someone doesn't like them as page appears to be clean.

 

[iv-tecman]

Most of those are correct and appalling - but there is no locking out of AA on competitors cards. To say NVIDIA locked out AA in batman AA implies motive.

Nvidia reportedly paid for the developers of Batman to carry the "way its meant to be played" logo and hence the game was more optimised for Nvidia cards...

You couldn't select any AA for Batman if you have a ATI card installed, the options weren't there.... It was got around by a patch to the game v1.1 and you have to select AA via the CCC and this is a brute force AA on all objects, which does affect performance in the game for ATI users...

Quite appalling, but however... Its business.

This time around, it does appear ATI got it right, however lets not forget, ATI have had some shocking products in the past... They did get it right once before... The 9700 pro was perhaps one of ATI's finest cards till the 5 series arrived...

Both companies have produced some excellent products, and I buy the one that gives value for money and good performance... I've owned both companies products in the past, and right now...

 

[kitfit1]

Dodgy link...

@ RavenXXX2, please don't try insulting our inteligence by insinuating that Anandtech is some sort of dodgy site. Everyone is fully aware it's a legit and well respected site.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Anandtech that critical of fermi? NV fanbois on the war path..

@ RavenXXX2, please don't try insulting our inteligence by insinuating that Anandtech is some sort of dodgy site. Everyone is fully aware it's a legit and well respected site.

First you need intelligence to insult, and yeah it is blocked because it's been reported as an attack page, even rroff confirmed it, so whats your beef again??

 

[CAPTAINBUMFLUFF]

Ati ever since the 3870s have had the more efficient cards I believe power wise correct me if I am wrong. 4870 gave the gtx 260 run for its mooney

 

[Rroff]

Nvidia reportedly paid for the developers of Batman to carry the "way its meant to be played" logo and hence the game was more optimised for Nvidia cards...

You couldn't select any AA for Batman if you have a ATI card installed, the options weren't there.... It was got around by a patch to the game v1.1 and you have to select AA via the CCC and this is a brute force AA on all objects, which does affect performance in the game for ATI users...

Quite appalling, but however... Its business.

This time around, it does appear ATI got it right, however lets not forget, ATI have had some shocking products in the past... They did get it right once before... The 9700 pro was perhaps one of ATI's finest cards till the 5 series arrived...

Both companies have produced some excellent products, and I buy the one that gives value for money and good performance... I've owned both companies products in the past, and right now...

I'll explain this once...

I set my nVidia card device ID to "MySuper 10000 GTX" - I get no AA
I set my nVidia card device ID to default - I get AA
I set my ATI card device ID to "MySuper 10000 GTX" - I get no AA
I set my ATI card device ID to default - I get no AA
I set my ATI card device ID to "nVidia GeForce GTX260" - I get AA

Therefore to conclude from this that nVidia specifically locked out AA on ATI cards is a logical fallacy.

 

[Alex h]

Anandtech that critical of fermi? NV fanbois on the war path

pmsl

 

[RavenXXX2]

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