Power issues are not easy to fix, nor is cooling. Unless you suggest the cards should come with WC as stock?
Oh, and if 480 was £310, ATi would slash 5870 prices and still make a profit
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Power issues are not easy to fix, nor is cooling. Unless you suggest the cards should come with WC as stock?
Oh, and if 480 was £310, ATi would slash 5870 prices and still make a profit
nVidia are a year late brining a card to the market... their 40nm next gen was supposed to be out april/may 09 originally - then delayed to Sept/Nov, the GF100 design is actually ahead of schedule, tho it doesn't seem it.
As has been posted, the only reason ATI posted a profit recently was due to the Intel payoff. But they have some major OEM partnerships with mainstream manufacturers now which is another important building block for them (even if Nvidia shot themselves in the foot before falling out the window with some of the OEM chips they sent out)
Things surely can only get better for consumers a few months down the line as more and more units from both manufacturers become available
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kinda feel sorry for them, although the green team have been pretty dodgy the past 6 months we do sorely need the competition. prices are bad enough as it is in general...
ATI did a sterling job. Nvidia didn't.
Nvidia have been slacking on the GPU side of it's business for a while now. Maybe this will be the kick the company needs to get back on track.
Ff has been flagging it for me all day. I wouldn't want to insult anyone intelligence by point out flagged sites are usually legit ones that've been compromised without the hosts knowledge.
Tbh I don't really care. First the under-fill problem, then repeated re-branding of the same gpu deliberately to mislead customers coupled with roughly a years worth of driver issues (topped by the recent pc-sleep fan failure) have somewhat diminished many people view.
That said, The fermie only has 2 problems.
1. The UK price is extortionate, not a dollar conversion it simply is heavily overpriced.
2. Heat/power. Both are too high. Far too high. Both however come from the size of the chip which, hopefully in time, nividia will reduce.
Dodgy link...
Same here loll
TPU used 10.2 drivers so their review is what I would call "invalid".
W1zzard is actually "threatening" to quit because people have criticised him over it.
says they used 10.3
Looks like they bowed to pressure then, because there was a big thread about it where TPU staff were defending the usage of 10.2 drivers.
Power issues are not easy to fix, nor is cooling. Unless you suggest the cards should come with WC as stock?
Oh, and if 480 was £310, ATi would slash 5870 prices and still make a profit
Even so, they couldnt slash them to the point of making the speed increases in games, physicsx and the sound options all on 1 card when its similar in price lol. The power issues are offset by good PSU's so those are a none issue to be fair, the temperatures CAN be solved by more efficient cooling which has been proved in the past with a plephora of cards
I think a the whole graphics industry has entered a bit of a stagnate period.
Graphics power hasn't really increased for the last 18+ months. I bought my 4870x2 on launch day then regretting it thinking i'd made an awful mistake and it was going to be a waste of money.
Prices went up of these cards and it wasnt til much longer after they came down again. But the 5870 isnt really any faster, a bit more reliable but I havent had any crossfire issues. And the card still mixes with the new fermi cards giving them a scare every now and again.
Graphics power hasn't really increased for the last 18+ months. I bought my 4870x2 on launch day then regretting it thinking i'd made an awful mistake and it was going to be a waste of money.
Prices went up of these cards and it wasnt til much longer after they came down again. But the 5870 isnt really any faster, a bit more reliable but I havent had any crossfire issues. And the card still mixes with the new fermi cards giving them a scare every now and again.
The problem is ATI need Nvidia to fill the voids they have caused in the supply chain before any price cuts can take effect.
If ATI dropped the price of its cards, the supply chain would just say, thank you for helping us recover some off the money that Nvidia have left us short of.
The power ans heat issues are a big problem for the majority of the people looking to buy the cards. The 320watt will usage will have a huge effect on the MTB of the card even if you don't mind voiding your warranty to fix the cards problems
The other problem is the cards not on sale yet and even when it is, it will be in very short supply and RMA replacements even more so.
If ATI dropped the price of its cards, the supply chain would just say, thank you for helping us recover some off the money that Nvidia have left us short of.
The power ans heat issues are a big problem for the majority of the people looking to buy the cards. The 320watt will usage will have a huge effect on the MTB of the card even if you don't mind voiding your warranty to fix the cards problems
The other problem is the cards not on sale yet and even when it is, it will be in very short supply and RMA replacements even more so.
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Graphics card performance has been roughly doubling each year.
The 4870X2 was the highest card of the 4800s whereas the 5870 isn't, the 5970 is the highest card of the 5 series and is quite a big step up from a 4870X2.
If you look at the GPUs them selves, a 5870 GPU is a large step up from an RV770 GPU the same way that the RV770 was a large step up from the RV670 GPU.
I'm talking about value for money.
THe 4870x2 was £375 at release. You still have to spend near enough that to get equal peformance in the 5870. So in my view it hasnt progressed.