What is with some people?!?

Skull said:
I do wonder how you're going to explain to the people you've so authoritatively lambasted for "misusing" the term citizen's arrest and who were too ignorant to challenge you, that you were wrong?
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As I mentioned, it was a police officer who told me that, I was reasonably happy that I was correct when I posted that. I can't believe everyone on OcUK who posts a single sentence in an angry tone is correct, that's how misinformation actually starts.

Anyone who has sustained personal injury by not attempting to detain a violent dunk at a taxi rank may now sue me.
 
Can you tell me about a citizens arrest?

This area of law is very complex and the following is only basic guidance. The law states that,

Any person can arrest a person who is in the act of committing an indictable offence or
Anyone whom he reasonably suspects to be committing such an offence, if
it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead and
it is necessary to arrest the person for one of the below reasons,

To prevent the person in question,

causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
suffering physical injury;
causing loss of or damage to property; or
making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him.

There a few points to raise about the above paragraph.

1. What is an indictable offence?
An indictable offence is an offence that can be tried at Crown Court. Below are examples of indictable offences which are the most likely to be encountered by members of the public,

theft
burglary
criminal damage.
2. How do I know if I can make a citizens arrest?

You can make an arrest if the suspect is actually committing the offence or if you reasonably suspect them of committing it, or when the offence has been committed and you reasonably suspect them of having committed it.

There is no specific wording to use when making a citizens arrest. However you must inform the person you are arresting as soon as possible what you are doing, why you are doing it and what offence you believe the person has committed.

There are other considerations to make when making an arrest,

reasonable force - see question in related information for details on reasonable force.
potential for civil litigation - the courts are sympathetic to public spirited citizens and the exercise of their powers and rights, however, if you get it wrong you could be sued for unlawful arrest and/or false imprisonment.
do not make a citizens arrest if you feel that you would be putting yourself or any other person in danger, ring 999.
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https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q508.htm?letter=C
 
In England, you will not find any door supervisors that are 'licensed' by their local councils, ever since the Private Security Industry act 2001. After this time, ALL door supervisors and people in security roles, have to be trained and licensed by the Security Industry Authority, including background police checks.

One part of the training that they undergo, is about the law under which an arrest can be made, and as previously mentioned, an arrest can be made for an indictable offense, if the person is committing, or you have reasonable suspiscion that they have committed such an offence.

However, upon arresting an individual, a licensed door supervisor must then escort them to a safe location, ensure that they are supervised at all times, and that no harm comes to them, until custody can be passed to a member of the police force.

At the same time, reasonable force, is only to be used as a last resort, when there is no other option, and generally only to prevent an individual from causing harm to themselves, other people, or property.

As a door supervisor, it is extremely easy to find yourself on the wrong side of the law when it comes to the use of force, and one wrong step, and it is goodbye license. And with no license, no job, and that is just not worth the bother.
 
Azza said:
So good night out in Chester, waiting in the taxi rank queue with my friends and some bloke tried to push in, so we tell him to get lost...few mins later he tries it with the girls behind us who tell him to **** off again. The bouncer comes over tells him to back off and get to the back and the bloke shoves him so a second bouncer comes and grabs hold of him then he breaks lose and throws a couple of punches, so the bouncers retaliate and then 4 other guys who I'm 80% sure are this blokes mates come running from across the street swinging like mad at the bouncers...one of them is on the floor with the bloke who tried to push in and then another bloke (who I'm sure is his mate from across the street) kicks the bouncer in the face...proper massive thud sound, and then they all run off down an alley way.


Absolute ****s, all happened within 30 seconds, a taxi driving up tried to run one bloke down but missed, only one bloke who was crossing the street could pull one of the guys away and then they ran. He just happened to be an off duty cop, on a night out with his misses. The bouncer seemed ok, just a broken nose and lots of blood. My friends (all girls) at the front of the queue are all shook up about it even I can hear the sound of the bouncer getting kicked in the face now when I think about it. I get pushed away by the police while I'm trying to give them descriptions of the blokes and tell them where they have ran off to which has got me even more annoyed.

So ****ing annoyed at how some people can be so wreck less after a couple of drinks. Really ****ed off at how **** this country is now. I've seen people get into fights when leaving clubs and in clubs, I've even been in some myself before but nothing as cowardice as what I've seen tonight. Taxi driver said there was all CCTV round there now and with people statements from the queue, there must have been at least 50 people hopefully the ****s will be caught.

:mad::mad::mad:
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This happens in every other nation. It's what alcohol as a drug does to you. It lowers inhibitions and makes you more aggressive. The fact that it happen in England is not relevant at all. If you want to run away to another country, like Sweden or France - you're gonna see the same kind of people when you go out at the weekends.

This whole 'broken Britain' is getting really tired.

Housey said:
Our streets are full of scum and though scum is in the minority pleasingly, scum tends to go drinking at the weekend and sadly normal people (the masses) get exposed to it. To my mind they need to be kicked to **** until they need a straw to eat before slowly dying 6 months later so we don't have to fund them. This should happen to ALL scum as sadly it's the only thing scum would understand but we don't live in a fair world so mostly scum gets away with it. Personally I am tired of scum, I detest it with a passion and I am lucky that my lifestyle means I am rarely exposed to it but I feel for people that have to experience it, like I did when a yooth, as its very distasteful and unfair. My last exposure to scum was having to pull a young scum, all hard and tough off his girlfriend when he was punching her in the street over and over again. I was with my wife and my mother driving back from the cincema after a nice night to be confronted by this tool and had to intervene which personally annoyed the **** out of me.

Scum, it needs wiping out.
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scum scum scum scum

- I bet you any money the blokes in the original post were ordinary otherwise decent people who's had one too many drinks. Alcohol is the key word here but everyone seems to dodge it :confused:
 
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KNiVES said:
This happens in every other nation. It's what alcohol as a drug does to you. It lowers inhibitions and makes you more aggressive. The fact that it happen in England is not relevant at all. If you want to run away to another country, like Sweden or France - you're gonna see the same kind of people when you go out at the weekends.

- I bet you any money the blokes in the original post were ordinary otherwise decent people who's had one too many drinks. Alcohol is the key word here but everyone seems to dodge it :confused:
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Ultimately, people are still responsible for their actions, and should act accordingly - this applies to consumption of alcohol too. If a person knows that they react to alcohol with violent tendencies, maybe they should cut down on their drinking.
 
I love the attitude towards door staff on here, I can safely say I know a lot more of us who are good at our job and dont feel the need to resort to violence first before talking.
But unfotunately you get knobbers in every profession.
 
When bar staff/landlords stop serving people who are obviously drunk (it's illegal), we might see less of this sort of behaviour but in reality, it ain't gonna happen so be careful out there kiddies.
 
thing is chester is a really nice city it really is
problem is, its trying to be a city it isnt, all the bars are beccoming lush dressup bars were you have to get dressed up to go in, there are even 3 private bars now !!!!! i mean cmon its chester not london.
i for one refuse to get dressed up to go out for a drink in my city, thats why when im out im only out till round the bouncers turn daft and decide i cant come in coz my DC pumps are too dark. Yes the bloke they let in before me has a pair of nice brown shoes on and is out for the night, getting hammered and possibly cause trouble in the taxi que
the bouncers can be complete nobs too, i went out for a meal 3 weeks ago with my wife, best mate and his gf. after meal decided to go into the bar next door, they all walk in and im last to go, bouncer stands infornt of me and asks if im ok, err yes i reply, he replies with a grin on his face thats ok then if you were p***ed i want going to get you in, are you p***ed ? err no !!! good.
he lets me in, but we leave right away
 
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userunknown said:
after meal decided to go into the bar next door, they all walk in and im last to go, bouncer stands infornt of me and asks if im ok, err yes i reply, he replies with a grin on his face thats ok then if you were p***ed i want going to get you in, are you p***ed ? err no !!! good.
he lets me in, but we leave right away
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He went a bit of a strange way about it but he was doing his job. You may have for whatever reason given him the impression you had had a few to many when you walked towards him, so he was checking you were fit to be allowed in.
 
singist said:
When bar staff/landlords stop serving people who are obviously drunk (it's illegal), we might see less of this sort of behaviour but in reality, it ain't gonna happen so be careful out there kiddies.
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Because everyone buys there own drinks....
 
As stated, you get these sorts of people eveywhere. However, I've never felt unsafe in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Newcastle. The people there just seem very friendly even when hammered and generally just out to have a good time.
A lot of my school friends from Aberdeen think that Glasgow is a really rough place and the main club and bar streets are full of brawls but that just isn't the case. I've seen a handful of fights after living here for 5 years and out at least once a week.
When out in Aberdeen, I don't feel safe wakling about by myself at night/kick out time because there are just far too many single minded idiots out lokoing to fight.
Weird!
 
In my experience being a door man is just a way to Fund your Steroid addiction & then stand about clubs giving it large to Young girls & ganging up with the other Old men/steroid abusing jerks & beating up stupid teenagers.
This "New" certificate hasn't changed a thing, Bouncers are just bullys who like hanging around nightclubs chatting up young girls.
 
malc30 said:
In my experience being a door man is just a way to Fund your Steroid addiction & then stand about clubs giving it large to Young girls & ganging up with the other Old men/steroid abusing jerks & beating up stupid teenagers.
This "New" certificate hasn't changed a thing, Bouncers are just bullys who like hanging around nightclubs chatting up young girls.
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got it in one malc !!!!
 
Ah I love the smell of OCUK in the afternoon, how we gone from random act of violence to discussing the law in Britain and how doormen are ****s :D
 
Bouncers in Leeds are absolute ****s on ridiculous power trips, threatening to kick you out if you look at them funny etc. Total ****s.
 
malc30 said:
In my experience being a door man is just a way to Fund your Steroid addiction & then stand about clubs giving it large to Young girls & ganging up with the other Old men/steroid abusing jerks & beating up stupid teenagers.
This "New" certificate hasn't changed a thing, Bouncers are just bullys who like hanging around nightclubs chatting up young girls.
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A worrying quantity of bouncers in Liverpool appear to be genuinely retarded, as in 10 year old mind in very muscular body. Right down to the absent facial expression with drooling.
 
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