20th Century fox vs Newzbin

Nickg said:
because by doing so, the retail estate that is HMV, all your gaming shops etc..a large portion of our retail economy dies as soon as this happens?

meaning more people unemployed. less people earning money = higher piracy...

Do you think that bypassing and cutting out the huge entertainment retail sector from the UK, just so that you can access that film right NOW, would be good for the economy, given the incremental job loss, would lower piracy?
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Hmm what a strange notion that we shouldn't do something innovative because it might hurt jobs?

Did you have the same view about digital cameras, film companies had to close since people didn't need 35mm film anymore. Ever see memorex dvd's?

Yet they were huge VHS and Tape sellers years ago. Times move if companies don't they they fall by the wayside. Those working in HMV can get jobs laying cable for high speed internet which would be necessary to support 10 quid a month unlimited movie downloads :p

Those Huge HMV stores could become great niteclubs :D
 
jas72 said:
Hmm what a strange notion that we shouldn't do something innovative because it might hurt jobs?

Did you have the same view about digital cameras, film companies had to close since people didn't need 35mm film anymore. Ever see memorex dvd's?

Yet they were huge VHS and Tape sellers years ago. Times move if companies don't they they fall by the wayside. Those working in HMV can get jobs laying cable for high speed internet which would be necessary to support 10 quid a month unlimited movie downloads :p

Those Huge HMV stores could become great niteclubs :D
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i didnt say that we shouldnt do ANYTHING innovative...but why innovate if you are just going to lose jobs and only a small chance that you will recoup revenues from online and that piracy wouldnt remain as prevalent.

at the same time, i think you have to respect that we are in an economic crisis and that pandering to pirates' promises isnt really going to help with that...
 
Nickg said:
Do you think that bypassing and cutting out the huge entertainment retail sector from the UK, just so that you can access that film right NOW, would be good for the economy, given the incremental job loss, would lower piracy?
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Oh my gosh.

This is the same "Entertainment Retail Sector" who has bled us dry for YEARS.

Remember when HMV would charge an unworldly amount for VHS films? DVD's? Games? Never have been competitive, now they expect us to care about them? They can do one.

Dinosaurs desperately trying to cling on to their fortunes.

Loss of jobs is inevitable although newer jobs are created.

The PC games industry is going through this and has been for a few years what with digital distribution.

Retailers/Publishers have held the market at ransom for too long and to some degree, still do although what with them now abandoining the PC market at retail, this is starting to open the door for better digital distribution, better for the customers, us.
 
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Gimpymoo said:
Oh my gosh.

This is the same "Entertainment Retail Sector" who has bled us dry for YEARS.

Remember when HMV would charge an unworldly amount for VHS films? DVD's? Games? Never have been competitive, now they expect us to care about them? They can do one.

Dinosaurs desperately trying to cling on to their fortunes.

Loss of jobs is inevitable although newer jobs are created.
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what new jobs do you think will be created? cutting out the middle man usually ends up removing people from employment.

i understand that you may feel aggrieved through some bad past purchases...its not necessarily caring about HMV per se'...its caring about the economy enough to not attempt cut it into shreds as we undergo economic pressure.
 
Nickg said:
what new jobs do you think will be created? cutting out the middle man usually ends up removing people from employment.

i understand that you may feel aggrieved through some bad past purchases...its not necessarily caring about HMV per se'...its caring about the economy enough to not attempt cut it into shreds as we undergo economic pressure.
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Does the American film and music industry really affect us that much?
 
You tell me? how many jobs do you think that the entertainment/retail sectors provide in the UK economy? given the figures i last saw, retail accounted for a disproportionately large part of our employed. given that there are not many jobs for these people to move into, then you'd have to say that any pressure that further reduces demand cannot really be that good for our employed people...

and the only incentive to do this is on a promise (or is that a prayer) that people will stll buy and not just pirate the goods anyway, just make it less profitable for a UK operaton to sell them.

you tell me how many UK films that HMV for example will be selling?

but regardless of that
 
magick said:
Won't newzbin be able to shift there servers overseas and be immune from any future prosecution?
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From what I've read it doesn't matter where the servers are, but rather where the operator/owner lives. In other words you can't live in the UK and host material that the UK considers illegal/unlawful in a foreign jurisdiction and get away with it. The country the server resides in might not have any issue with the content, but so long as you live in a country that does, you're still liable.

That's what I read, anyway. IANAL. :D
 
Rainmaker said:
From what I've read it doesn't matter where the servers are, but rather where the operator/owner lives. In other words you can't live in the UK and host material that the UK considers illegal/unlawful in a foreign jurisdiction and get away with it. The country the server resides in might not have any issue with the content, but so long as you live in a country that does, you're still liable.

That's what I read, anyway. IANAL. :D
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yeah thats what I thought but I know Guido Fawkes http://order-order.com hosts his blog off shore to avoid any legal prosecutions. When the MPs expenses broke he offered £10k for the discs and made a point of saying becuase his servers are off shore he couldn't be prosecuted
 
magick said:
yeah thats what I thought but I know Guido Fawkes http://order-order.com hosts his blog off shore to avoid any legal prosecutions. When the MPs expenses broke he offered £10k for the discs and made a point of saying becuase his servers are off shore he couldn't be prosecuted
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Ah yes Texas well known for their staunch resistance to criminal punishment.
 
Shame, ive always used newzbin :( and the odd time binsearch. Guess it will be back to searching raw usnet.

Are there any other sites people would suggest? And not NZBmatrix, that site suckssss
 
I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for Rupert Murdoch.

However, I do agree that people who use Newsgroups or P2P to steal movies, TV programmes or music don't really deserve much sympathy . . . if you want it that much - pay for it.
 
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