Gordon Brown can't add up

matt_fsr said:
Is it just me that sees that as meaning petrol would = £2.50 per litre?
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And the rest!

bam0 said:
They also want to stop all nuclear power and shut down zoos. The Greens are a party of nutters getting votes from people who think they're all nice and environmental.
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/facepalm really? Who an earth would vote for these hippies?

Sirrel Squirrel said:
The green party policies are shocking :eek:
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I'm genuinely surprised too, I thought they were just a load of disgruntled eco-mentalists but it seems their roots go much deeper into the depths of socialism on a frankly scary level.

I know London isn't exactly representative of the U.K. and is quite left leaning but in the London Mayoral elections 2008 77,000 people voted for them as first preference? Seriously? Do people even read their wacky policies, or do they just presume they’re champions of climate change™?
 
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Surely that's a good thing. Their policies are pretty much to counter everything you've been complaining about. As i see it nobody else is fit to run the country. The time for strategic voting is over.
 
He was holding up two hands with 5 fingers to emphasise it to the kiddy. Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a complete knob, but the actions he does to amuse a kid doesn't mean he can't count.

Hell, if you walked in on some of the crap I talk to me dog, you could claim "lol lol Le_Petit_Lapin cant speak English!" ;)

Edit: Also Lol, Magick
 
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Superewza said:
Of course, the problem is you just presented a good case for voting labour. The Conservatives are famous for lowering the tax on rich people and dumping it on the poor. Labour aren't.

Oh, and lucasade1, i most certainly would.
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And of course the 120% rise in council tax bills we have seen under labour has been nothing but fair.
I dont see how its right that for a person who earns say, £18k before tax, should then have to pay a further 10% of his take home pay in tax to the local council.

Then pay, tax on his fuel, tax on his car, tax on virtually everything he buys, tax on his insurance, his TV license fee tax............

Labour are certainly fair, they tax everybody to the hilt, and give nobody apart from the completely ******* worthless anything back.
 
And the Conservatives have said that they will raise taxes by a considerable amount if they get in in an effort to get us out of the 'economic downturn' a little quicker.
 
Superewza said:
Of course, the problem is you just presented a good case for voting labour. The Conservatives are famous for lowering the tax on rich people and dumping it on the poor. Labour aren't.

Oh, and lucasade1, i most certainly would.
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This is completely wrong. Labour have stealth taxed (through fiscal drag) the poor to high heaven. Between 1997 and 2001 alone, Labour had introduced 45 real-terms stealth taxes. They number in the 100s now.

In real (today's) money, the average earner pays £3k more in tax per year than they did in 1997.

If Gordon Brown had not used fiscal drag to increase income taxes, and instead raised the tax thresholds in line with inflation (like pre-1997), the lowest income tax band would be around £10-12k by now. Instead it is around £6k.

How is that not a tax on the poor?

Lets also not forget the national insurance tax hikes over the last 13 years. Gordon Brown loves these, because 'it is not income tax'.

Superewza - this is not the first time you've posted utter crap in this thread. It is nice that you're engaging in the debate and all, but really - read up on some basics before inventing facts.
 
lucasade1 said:
Just thought I would do a bit of research on the Greens, and Wow... would you like some socialism while you cripple the nations defences?:

Esentially, High taxes, weath distribution on a laughable scale, maintain an armed forces with similar capabilities to Andorra and cripple the economy by punishing the rich. Yay :D
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If you don't mind, could you show me the source? I want to show a friend this, but he will immediatley ask for where I got this from, proof, etc.

Regardless, a laughable selection of policies, especially over national defence, and on top wage limits...
 
Gideon Lorr said:
If you don't mind, could you show me the source? I want to show a friend this, but he will immediatley ask for where I got this from, proof, etc.

Regardless, a laughable selection of policies, especially over national defence, and on top wage limits...
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A combination of:

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/policies.html
and
http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/policypointers/index.html

Sorry I just kinda copied and pasted whilst i was browsing so you might have to look around a bit.

I'm really glad i've posted it though, seems to have shocked a few people...
 
Gideon Lorr said:
If you don't mind, could you show me the source? I want to show a friend this, but he will immediatley ask for where I got this from, proof, etc.

Regardless, a laughable selection of policies, especially over national defence, and on top wage limits...
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You need to go through to their policy pointers page to get them.

EDIT: D'oh, too slow. And you're right lucasade, a bit surprising, but I suppose you could have expected them to be like that.
 
Art said:
You need to go through to their policy pointers page to get them.

EDIT: D'oh, too slow. And you're right lucasade, a bit surprising, but I suppose you could have expected them to be like that.
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I actually think what's surprising is the amount of votes they receive, they would literally tear up the book and start again, with horrific consequences. I can only hope it's voters just didn't study their policies and voted out of environmental concerns, surely no one can want a britain like that?

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We would divert money currently being wasted on huge road projects (about £30bn) and put more of the UK’s transport budget into public transport, especially local schemes for walking, cycling and bus-travel.
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http://www.greenparty.org.uk/policies.html
Greeeeaat. So let's cut money for 'huge road projects' (roads being the medium by which over 90% of the population travel) and buy a few bicycles!
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
This is completely wrong. Labour have stealth taxed (through fiscal drag) the poor to high heaven. Between 1997 and 2001 alone, Labour had introduced 45 real-terms stealth taxes. They number in the 100s now.

In real (today's) money, the average earner pays £3k more in tax per year than they did in 1997.

If Gordon Brown had not used fiscal drag to increase income taxes, and instead raised the tax thresholds in line with inflation (like pre-1997), the lowest income tax band would be around £10-12k by now. Instead it is around £6k.

How is that not a tax on the poor?

Lets also not forget the national insurance tax hikes over the last 13 years. Gordon Brown loves these, because 'it is not income tax'.

Superewza - this is not the first time you've posted utter crap in this thread. It is nice that you're engaging in the debate and all, but really - read up on some basics before inventing facts.
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Fine, but you still haven't made a case for the conservatives... the would raise taxes across the board if they got voted in.
 
Superewza said:
Fine, but you still haven't made a case for the conservatives... the would raise taxes across the board if they got voted in.
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:confused:

Whilst any incoming government is going to have to look at taxes it is the Conservatives that have promised not to increase N.I. unlike Labour and the Lib Dems.
 
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