Poll: Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

Which party will get your vote in the General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 704 38.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 221 12.1%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 297 16.2%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 144 7.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 36 2.0%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 46 2.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 48 2.6%

  • Don't care I have no intension of voting.

    Votes: 334 18.3%
  • Total voters
    1,830
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meghatronic said:
Absolutely. But it would be nicer if we just dismissed with the **** all together. If they don't stick to them, and intelligent people know they have no intention of sticking to them, it becomes political hyperbole to trick the less switched on electorate. Similar to what we saw in the US recently.
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Also if you read the manifests they only write nice stuff :(

So you WILL read

'We are going to form a new 'council of nurses' to allow nurses to talk within a national level forum about their problems and how to improve treatment to patients etc etc'

Then they miss out ALTOGETHER

'We'll shut 18 hospitals'


So the whole document becomes a big wasta'time.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Good point, but this doesn't excuse lies.
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Of course. But the sad fact is any truly honest manifesto will cause the party to fail utterley at election because the population is too thick to think 'OMG finally a bit of honestly' and vote for that honesty.. Nope, (with other parties' help) the thicko population will just think 'They want to shut 8 hospitals? They lose my vote. The other party is not saying they'll do anything bad. Yippee they sound awesome!!! :( '.

It's a catch 22.

Also any party, once in power always has the ultra-easy opt-out statement 'The situation has changed since we wrote the manifesto'.

'We had a new - ahem - confidential bit of intelligence thta sounds bad, so we can no longer cut anti-terrorism costs by 10% as it said in the manifesto'

'We've done our own special review and guess what, Guildford hospital totally sucks so we're shutting it. We didn't know it sucked so badly before the election or we wouldn't have written 'no hospitals shutting'. It's not our fault, previous government said 'it's not too bad', so blame them for lying!! (etc etc yadda yadda)'

it's easy :( unfortunately :(
 
Ok, I take your silence re http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16345752&postcount=2550 as an apology for attacking and patronising me :)

With regards to the lies in manifestos, it is disgusting you have the attitude "It is what we have to put up with". Never before 13 years of Labour has such a public attitude been more prevalent. I'll never forgive them for ruining politics' reputation. They single-handedly reduced voter turnout from nearly 75% to a shade over 50%.
 
britboy4321 said:
Embarrassing!

I showed a bloke at work your post about the Lib Dems and he looked at me and just looked incredulous and said 'How did he get through school? How old is he? Why haven't they taught him the basics in school?'. My mate has read none of this forum to date, is neutral, and that's what he came out with immediately, a neutral reader, whose political persuasion I don't know!

Seriously, I presume you are quite young? Have you voted before? I can kind of understand if you are < 18 years old as when I was a kid I had crazy, wacky ideas too. Part of growing up, don't worry - it's cool.

If you are > 18, well I'll just say there should be some kind of test before you get to vote :( Democracy sucks! (Lib dems want 'tiny state'? I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Just ask your lib dem campaigners when they call over the next few weeks if you are right or wrong. Don't take my word for it for goodness sake, ask them!) I also know from when I was a kid that kids think are 'above' apologies and it makes them somehow 'lose' even when blatently wrong, hence I await some stunningly awesome come-back from you instead :)
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This is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever actually seen you post on this forum. The fact you most likely said "lol look at this" to your mate means your already going to get a bias opinion anyway.

The personal attack was also amazingly uncalled for and your only actual way of getting out of being corrected. Poor show mate, poor show.
 
That Labour manifesto is beyond a joke.

The only thing that I can honestly say I agree with is the bit about how people no longer work for £1 an hour because of the minium wage.

The rest of it is simply delusional.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Ok, I take your silence re http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16345752&postcount=2550 as an apology for attacking and patronising me :)

With regards to the lies in manifestos, it is disgusting you have the attitude "It is what we have to put up with". Never before 13 years of Labour has such a public attitude been more prevalent. I'll never forgive them for ruining politics' reputation. They single-handedly reduced voter turnout from nearly 75% to a shade over 50%.
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I hate to show my age here, but believe it or not politics has had a negative public attitude for slightly more than 13 years!! :)

Ask your great-great-great-grandfather if he's still around what he thinks of politicians .. !

And, as you know, the voter turnout is actually falling because people don't like Labour, but couldn't stand voting for the only realistic alternative in it's current form as they keep going badly wrong, so are staying away from the polls altogether.

In a subtle shade of irony, it's actually Cameron's incompetance at offering any kind of decent alternative that is stoking the fires of apathy and the good ol' talk of 'they're all as bad as each other'.. an irony which made me smile when I read your usual air-punching tirade about 'it's all Labour's fault'..
 
James J said:
This is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever actually seen you post on this forum. The fact you most likely said "lol look at this" to your mate means your already going to get a bias opinion anyway.

The personal attack was also amazingly uncalled for and your only actual way of getting out of being corrected. Poor show mate, poor show.
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Yea it was a bit, I hereby retract it and apologise to all. ..
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
No, of course not. What else do we elect parties on?
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There's a whole excluded middle between treating a manifesto as a promise, and it being meaningless.

So, if you think that a manifesto should be a promise, what do you think Labour's last manifesto should have said about their response to the banking crisis? A manifesto treated as a promise prevents the flexibility required for effective governance.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Attacks aside, I am still interested in your response to what I posted - which I believe proves my point on the political positioning of the Lib Dems (for which you attacked me).
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Hatter -- long post warning -- you asked for it ..

OK well first of all is context.

There was a post from a guy who said he knew NOTHING about politics. He didn't know a darn thing.

So I wanted to try and type just 1 paragraph (not an essay) to give as broad a brush-stroke of English politics as I could.

The way to achieve this is to start thinking about what defines the parties. now I'm not going to bother with weasel-words so instead I thought the most useful thing to do would be to write about the difference in their guiding principles.

Now in my opinion the greatest difference between Labour and Conservatives is in their tax/public spending/size of government ideas. This kind of dictates to some degree thousands of other policies.

now as I said I don't want to mislead this nerbie with regards to the politics. I thought 'I better mention about the Lib Dems'. Now the vast majority of people in this country, rightly or wrongly, will see the Lib Dems as the 'centre party'.

I really didn't want to scare this totally political noob away with some massive essay, so I wrote (if you check back) the Lib dems are kind of inbetween the Conservatives and Labour'.

So I refer you right the way back to the start .. this is correct in the context of me talking to someone who wants some uber-basic information about politics in this country.

Then you went what I considered wild at me and said I knew nothing about what I was talking about. Which upset me a little because I swear I wasn't trying to annoy anyone with the post I was trying to say an AMAZINGLY SIMPLE politics 101 to someone who was asking a basic question. It's far too early for such an audience to drag out the 'chart' thats been posted here a few times saying where the parties currently are on the political spectrum. It'd just confuse the bejesus out of anyone asking for the simplest possible entry point into understanding the politics .. wouldn't it?

You said in your post that everything I had said was complete cods-wallop. And I just thought 'That's not fair it's all right and correct when seen in the context it was intended, as building block 1, junior level, very first steps of British politics.' I didn't think it was fair you saying 'Britters is stupid throw his entire post in the bin he's talking rubbish'.

To this day, right or wrong, I believe kids will be taught as their first building block of understanding that Labour is on the left, Tories on the right and Lib Dems somewhere in the middle.

I believe this is a DECENT STARTING BLOCK to learning about our party system and their very general overall level of decision making. Of course it is NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE, it is not a perfect description, rather it is a starting block for understanding.

If the bloke had typed 'Can someone type me a 10,000 word essay on British politics', THEN your wiki. links come into play NO PROBLEM. But he didn't want that.


That's the way this panned out. I was just trying to be nice to some dude and also really was trying my hardest to be neutral. Yet you called me words to the effect of 'a thicko that doesn't understand anything' which made me feel bad. You probably will again now :( oh well, at least I know I tried to explain ..
 
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lucasade1 said:
Anyone else find that labour manifesto video cringeworthy? Although I was quite fond of the girl that introduced it ;)
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Best part, where they state they aim to reform the UN, NATO, G8 and G20. Gordon saving the world all over again.

I also liked the quote on "Creating a Shareholder Society", I'm almost certain I've heard another government quote that before.

Can't say I like the democratic reforms of Alternative Vote and Voting age at 16. They also promised fixed terms, but I'm sure that was promised in 97 as well.

But in regards to that video..yeah that was really poor and cringeworthy.
 
Will Lucky said:
Can't say I like the democratic reforms of Alternative Vote and Voting age at 16.
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Don't understand how anyone can think this is a good idea tbh :confused::confused::confused:

It will end up doing one of 2 things:

-Lowering the overall % turnout
-Having Xfactor winners running (successfully) as MP's.
 
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