China and Sterilising Parents...

[Rich_L]

What about the idea of killing off all the elderly and feeding them to the young?

Put a maximum age of 75 or so, less if your disabled, then stick them in a blender, cook them in handy snack sized bars and distribute them to the young. Would sort out all sorts of problems, including population growth, and feeding the growing population.

And depressed people could sign up early,3 time criminals could be added to the program early.

Absolutely. I always think in threads like this that people have it completely the wrong way round - instead of forcibily sterilising people and stopping the production of new individuals with economic potential - surely the focus should be on the growing mass of useless elderly who are a burden on everyone and cost loads of money.

I suggest tapering down the availability of healthcare post-retirement, that way the various illnesses and suchlike should act as a natural cull and help rebalance the population age demographic.

 

[LordSplodge]

not true, it doesnt mention the breeding rates of the dumb or intellectuals anywhere?

Some states sterilized "imbeciles" for much of the 20th century. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case that the state of Virginia could sterilize those it thought unfit. The most significant era of eugenic sterilization was between 1907 and 1963, when over 64,000 individuals were forcibly sterilized under eugenic legislation in the United States.[66] A favorable report on the results of sterilization in California, the state with the most sterilizations by far, was published in book form by the biologist Paul Popenoe and was widely cited by the Nazi government as evidence that wide-reaching sterilization programs were feasible and humane.

The idea of "genius" and "talent" is also considered by William Graham Sumner, a founder of the American Sociological Society (now called the American Sociological Association). He maintained that if the government did not meddle with the social policy of laissez-faire, a class of genius would rise to the top of the system of social stratification, followed by a class of talent. Most of the rest of society would fit into the class of mediocrity. Those who were considered to be defective (mentally retarded, handicapped, etc.) had a negative effect on social progress by draining off necessary resources. They should be left on their own to sink or swim. But those in the class of delinquent (criminals, deviants, etc.) should be eliminated from society ("Folkways", 1907). (Compare to ideals in Plato's Republic.)

 

[Baboonanza]

But there are other implications that arise before that happens. For example, it is likely that China will have problems where there is only a small percentage of the population who are of working age.

I'm not sure how things work in China, but for us that would mean that as well as having a small working population trying to provide services for a huge population, we'd also have to find a way where this small percentage can financially support those who are unable to work [(children (care), disabled (care), large number of retired (pensions/care)].

It is a big problem for us. It is not a big problem for China because they can get away with 'things' that would be unacceptable here.

 

[Baboonanza]

Personally I'd like a child license. Basically you're reversibly sterilised at puberty and you can only be unsterilised after passing some sort combined means testing / parenting exam.

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor. The most obvious effect would be an almost immediate end to child poverty.

Having children is not a human right IMO, and humanity can no longer afford the price of letting population growth continue unchecked.

 

[G-MAN2004]

Having children is not a human right IMO

What?

Having children is our whole point of existence.

 

[Tefal]

Personally I'd like a child license. Basically you're reversibly sterilised at puberty and you can only be unsterilised after passing some sort combined means testing / parenting exam.

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor. The most obvious effect would be an almost immediate end to child poverty.

Having children is not a human right IMO, and humanity can no longer afford the price of letting population growth continue unchecked.

So i assume you have been snipped or will be shortly?

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor.

mass mutilation ,rioting, looting, murder, assaults, strikes, mental health issues, huge number of lawsuits from those who cannot be reversed and are permanently sterile, exile from the civilised world, economic sanctions/embargoes.

yep pretty minor.

 

[RDM]

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor.

Forcibly sterilising everyone is a "minor problem"? Er, no, it is an authoritarian nightmare.

 

[The Running Man]

What?

Having children is our whole point of existence.

if our existance was to cannabalise ourselves into nothing by out growing our planet, then its not an overly great existance in the first place is it?



LordSplodge, i dont think you understand what i mean, but regardless ill try to simplify,

you can tell an intelligent person that having more than 3 kids could be bad for the (caravan, house whatever,) and they probably wont have 3 kids. Tell it to a thicko, and the chances are they will do it regardless...

 

[G-MAN2004]

if our existance was to cannabalise ourselves into nothing by out growing our planet, then its not an overly great existance in the first place is it?

I wasn't disputing whether it is a good thing or not, I was just stating that it most certainly is a human right to have children.

 

[Tefal]

if our existance was to cannabalise ourselves into nothing by out growing our planet, then its not an overly great existance in the first place is it?

that's what every animal does.


Predators have a good year eat lots of prey and have lots of offspring, prey have reduced numbers and offspring, next year the predators are too many for they prey and many die off, so more prey survive and reproduce more, next year there is a bounty and the predators increase in numbers... and so on and so on.


We just haven't reached the point where we run out of food on a large scale yet (outside of individual nations where it has happened countless times over the millennia).


It's not like suddenly all the food disappears and everyone dies, only a certain percentage die until the numbers are back in-line with production.

 

[Tefal]

if our existance was to cannabalise ourselves into nothing by out growing our planet, then its not an overly great existance in the first place is it?



LordSplodge, i dont think you understand what i mean, but regardless ill try to simplify,

you can tell an intelligent person that having more than 3 kids could be bad for the (caravan, house whatever,) and they probably wont have 3 kids. Tell it to a thicko, and the chances are they will do it regardless...

iirc all the eugenics programs proved that intelligence is not hereditary so it makes no difference.

 

[The Running Man]

that's right, there is no stopping stupidity, it will ALWAYS find a way.


and that makes ALL the difference.

 

[Tefal]

that's right, there is no stopping stupidity, it will ALWAYS find a way.


and that makes ALL the difference.

Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking here?

 

[dokko]

Need to sterilise Africa as well. We'd be a richer nation if so.

Hate seeing AIDS babies on the tele, its disgusting something isn't being done to curb the population.

 

[britboy4321]

Need to sterilise Africa as well. We'd be a richer nation if so.

Hate seeing AIDS babies on the tele, its disgusting something isn't being done to curb the population.

What would you have us do?

 

[antijoke]

Personally I'd like a child license. Basically you're reversibly sterilised at puberty and you can only be unsterilised after passing some sort combined means testing / parenting exam.

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor. The most obvious effect would be an almost immediate end to child poverty.

Having children is not a human right IMO, and humanity can no longer afford the price of letting population growth continue unchecked.

The lols keep on coming.

 

[dokko]

What would you have us do?

Stop me lass watching fund raising nights, would save me a fortune.

 

[britboy4321]

Personally I'd like a child license. Basically you're reversibly sterilised at puberty and you can only be unsterilised after passing some sort combined means testing / parenting exam.

There are problems with this of course, but compared to the social problems it solves they are relatively minor. The most obvious effect would be an almost immediate end to child poverty.

Having children is not a human right IMO, and humanity can no longer afford the price of letting population growth continue unchecked.

This sounds like a VERY low budget series on the sci-fi channel called something like 'The secret children of the night'.

Or a saturday night game-show, called 'Hit the unauthorised pregnant bird in the stomach with a cricket bat'.

 

[arknor]

Offer £5k to anyone who wants it (male or female under the age of 35) if they agree to sterilisation. Anyone who takes up the offer probably isn't fit to be a parent anyway.

or they already have the kids they want and would like 5k

you realise lots of people get sterilised out of choice?

 

[The Running Man]

Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking here?

im hoping its a Jurasic Park moment for you.

even the story of adam and eve tells us how the human race is doomed, given only 2 humans, paridise and a forbidden fruit. Stupidity prevails and then paradise is lost.

given those odds, it seems that god creates 1 stupid person for other normal person.

you cant explain global warming, the consequences of rinsing child benefit, why they should vote for anyone except BNP to them, or that they should have fewer children, because unfortunately there are simply too many stupid people out there to take notice.

No matter what the rest of them do to try and save the planet, or the country is doomed to failure because of this.