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GeForce GTX 460 might launch June 1st - specs
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/2848
The problem is that the 5850 RRP is actually $260 which is £200 inc vat, and you can quite easily pick them up for below $250 in the states after rebates and on special offers.
THe 5970 should only be £460 according to exchange rates, but therein lies the problem.
The RRP's from AMD aren't the same in dollars and pounds, the RRP of the AMD range was established when the exchange rate was HUGELY stronger, on release the cards were supposed to be £190ish, £300 and £430 for the 5850/70/5970.
The exchange rate changing DOESN'T effect the RRP, however it does effect the pricing that OCUK and co pay for the cards when purchasing from US distributors. The pricing UK distributors get direct from AMD and its AIB's, changes to keep in line with the RRP in general.
We all know full well a certain store sold a handful at cost, that cost was £250 inc vat, so when they are sold at £300 retailers get around £50 on them, which is huge, the only person making a killing when the prices go higher is the retailer, and yes, rip off Britain is a rip off in these situations.
Remember the current pricing of many 5850's from £230-250, was around when the exchange rate was at 1.65, which just meant even higher profits for retailers back then.
^lol "ATI Fanboy"
The GTX 480 is a good card, end of.
You sir, appear to be inflicted with PJS, too.
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^lol "ATI Fanboy"
The GTX 480 is a good card, end of.
You sir, appear to be inflicted with PJS too.
but it is a good card.It might not be the best value for money, or the most efficiant, or the coolest, or be as fast as it should have been ect ect ect.....but its still a very fast card.
I never said it wasn't fast.
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no, you said he had that PJS bs. but he's right. people who need to justify their purchases dont tend to be right about anything.
its like you lot spend so much time slinging mud at each other that you loose sight of the facts...or maybe you don't, but youd just rather sling the mud anyway?
its like you lot spend so much time slinging mud at each other that you loose sight of the facts...or maybe you don't, but youd just rather sling the mud anyway?
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Facts such as? I don't remember coming out with any facts, whereas "Razor Time" basically said "they're not really hot and they're not really loud"
Of course they aren't, there are no negatives to something when you've just spent nearly £450 on graphics card that gives a very very minor advantage to another brand, but costs 50% more.
Aren't you noticing the pattern? The people known on these forums to be overly pro-nVidia are they same people buying GTX470s and 480s, and they're also the ones making the claims that contradict nearly every review out there...
Yeah, "facts".
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you'll also notice that a lot of them have moved from the gtx280's and the like that they already owned so that's a good basis for comparison as far as heat and noise is concerned. everyone knows they run hot, but loudness is subjective and show me one review, just one, that measures the cards against others fairly and accurately. There's not one. besides, have you seen any end user actually complain about it?
the 480's arent as good as they should have been. yeah, we all get that and tbh i'm over it. i dont care. at that price point, if you can get hold of one, they arent such bad value, certainly not as bad as the 470 at any rate.
if people want a 480 let them go ahead. neither you, myself or anyone else is in any position to tell them otherwise and this finger pointing and name calling amounts to is a frustrating spam fest that gets tired REAL quickly.
edit: [H]ards review is good, but they still make the mistake of testing in open air, 6 inchs from the cards fans. honestly who uses a pc like that? those that do wont be worrying about card noise. show me a review that tests those cards in a case, with the door shut and at least a foot away. The difference in noise wont be so large Looking at hards review, it shows you how good the 5850 is compared to the rest, and it also shows a clear difference between the 5850 and the 5870. but would i hear the difference if i had a 5870 in my case which is about 10ft away from my desk, instead of a 5850?
every single one of those reviews is flawed unless ive missed one. i dont think i have.
the 480's arent as good as they should have been. yeah, we all get that and tbh i'm over it. i dont care. at that price point, if you can get hold of one, they arent such bad value, certainly not as bad as the 470 at any rate.
if people want a 480 let them go ahead. neither you, myself or anyone else is in any position to tell them otherwise and this finger pointing and name calling amounts to is a frustrating spam fest that gets tired REAL quickly.
edit: [H]ards review is good, but they still make the mistake of testing in open air, 6 inchs from the cards fans. honestly who uses a pc like that? those that do wont be worrying about card noise. show me a review that tests those cards in a case, with the door shut and at least a foot away. The difference in noise wont be so large
Looking at hards review, it shows you how good the 5850 is compared to the rest, and it also shows a clear difference between the 5850 and the 5870. but would i hear the difference if i had a 5870 in my case which is about 10ft away from my desk, instead of a 5850?every single one of those reviews is flawed unless ive missed one. i dont think i have.
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Do note that they were the ones calling names. Also, I'm not sure if you noticed, but this is a forum, it's about discussing things.
Razor Time's post looked like an nVidia sponsored marketing blurb really.
As I've said any way, only overly pro-nVidia boys are even buying these cards, and they're the only ones who are saying they're "fine".
You might as well trust nVidia's word alone on how good the card is, it's the same thing.
They are shockingly bad value for money, and it's not even subjective.
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well that depends on how much value you place on a (currently worthless) tessellation engine thats better than ati's and cuda/hardware physics.
£150 more expensive than a 5870 is hard to swallow, it isnt quite so bad if you value the above features, coupled with the fact that it's a decent amount quicker in a lot of cases. That just might be worth it to some people.
so no, i dont agree that it (the 480 only) is shocking value for money. it certainly isnt a card i'd buy, but then i have different values. the cost, power consumption and noice levels, along with hd audio streaming and general all-round performance is what i based my decision on. that's why i bought a 5850 a few weeks before the 4 series launch. a) because i knew they wouldnt drop in price any time soon and b) because it was the right mix of everything. The certainly doesnt mean other cards aren't better choices for other people.
yes, and you are the one pointing the finger. see?
anyway, discussions are all well and good if thats all it is - a nice friendly discussion.yeah, about that: could you explain the problem to me? as far as i can see, he said pretty much was i said and I'll be damned if anybody is going to call me a 'fanboy'.
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Yeah, I agree with that. If someone was buying the GTX480 for pure bang/buck i'd think they needed their head testing. But if they are going to use PhysX/CUDA/3D/Tesselation then it's not quite as bad (but still in my opinion they're paying over the odds for "gimmicks").
Yep, same way I think really. I don't tend to care about anything other than pure gaming performance unless they support a widely adopted technology that I know i'm going to use.
And that's where the HD5850 is - in my opinion of course - the best in the market. And that's why I currently have one in the post!
Kyle does have a valid point there. Putting myself in the owner's shoes, I wouldn't want to admit fault having spent £450 on a card. He also seemed to fly in the face of just about every review on the web, which would obviously lead his comments to be interpreted as possibly untrue.
At the end of the day, lets just call a spade a spade. Is it a bad card? No. Is it a disappointment? Yes. Nvidia had so so so long to get it right and they just came up with a huge, hot, power hungry core that, whilst being the fastest single GPU solution, is overpriced.
I just hope they do what ATI did with the HD2900 - learn from it and come out with something that shakes the market right up.
A quote from their fermi review says it all really.
They took a lot of stick for that review, a few days later they were defending the 480's fan as not being loud and that all other sites were wrong about the noisy fermi.
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhagedoorn#p/u/4/ubNulVNCXT0
They're point of view on the fan noise is a joke.
1) They used custom profile in MSI Afterburner for the fan speed -
2) They ran Furmark stability for just 3min - not even sure if in Xtreme Burning Mode
3) The card isn't quiet at all. It's not that noisy but I would look for a non-reference cooling solution at first
4) Temps were still climbing up. And they would if they didn't finish it at 90*C. If anyone ran Furmark before, they would definitely now how the curve looks like when it's a nearly stable temp. 90*C after 3min? You wouldn't need any additional heating in that room.
Let's torture 480GTX for some time on auto fan
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfQOU3T0O3Q&feature=player_embeddedFound it when downloading the latest Furmark to test my card's temps.
With 1.70v the temps weren't exceeding 77*C after 20min of running Furmark in Xtreme Burning Mode. That was with an overclocked GPU and fan at 35% tops (or even 30%, not really sure). The 480GTX gets to 100*C after 8min of stability testing. And it's noisy as hell. Not being a fanboy now but the cons of this card are really, live with it or don't buy it. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having a watercooled version of 480GTX if its price wouldn't exceed £400. It's a the fastest reference single gpu card after all.
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How was it? I was just posting my experiences with the card and nothing more. I actually own this card unlike you. I have tried it in 2 completely different rigs and posted up what I have found. One rig is set up for good aircooling and the other rig is setup up purely for watercooling so the airflow isn't that great in the wc case. The gtx 480 in a decent air cooled rig seems to run quieter than my 4870X2 and seems to behave like other top end cards I have owned or used in the past. If you dont believe me and other owners thats fine, I don't think any one really cares. However those that want to read actual users reviews might find the info useful.
Heat and noise were never going to be a concern for me as I have an EK block sat here ready to be slapped on.
LMAO at me being a pro nvidia boy. Why does anyone have to be a pro anything if they by a certain make of card. In the last three years I have bought the following cards.
X1900XT
8800GTX
8800GTX watercooled
4850
3650 Laptop
4870X2 + EK block
GTX 480 + EK block to be installed
Please tell me how I am a pro nvidia? I don't care who makes my card. I didn't design the GXT 480, I wasn't involved with producing it, all I did was buy it and slap it in my machine. If I thought it was crap I would sell it and probably at a slight profit at the moment. As it is I am very happy with my new card.
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A quote from their fermi review says it all really.
They took a lot of stick for that review, a few days later they were defending the 480's fan as not being loud and that all other sites were wrong about the noisy fermi.
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhagedoorn#p/u/4/ubNulVNCXT0
But the 480 has regained the crown. It might Not be the best bang per buck, but it's quite obviously the fastest gpu.
And 480 users on this very forum are generally saying the noise is not much of an issue at all.
Don't notice the fan below 60%, its not too bad up till 70%, fairly loud but fine when gaming up till 80%, anything over 80% is too loud. I've lowered my overclock to 750mhz so that the fan doesn't have to go above 80%. this is with 2 apache blacks blowing down on the card too
What like the guy above...
Regarding guru, I think it's very much apparent they heaped praise on Nvidia which went in the face of 99% of other reviews out their which were less bias with their analyze of fermi, even the guru3d regulars on their forums could see it as well.
If you have a good case and airflow and coming from say a 200 series setup the noise and heat is really really not an issue. At real world gaming settings it is also a good bit faster than the 5870 most of the time. It does fall down on power usage and bang for buck but theres plenty of people who don't care about either.