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Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
Secondly, I think the raise in CO2 concentration has more to do with with the raise in the population than our way of life.
Yes I agree 100% snowdog, it is only obvious. The other factor is deforestation and the natural "evolution" of the land that has possibly caused a further increase in co2 due to there being less plant life.
1. The first plot (going back 500 million years) has lines for computer models (a model is only as good as you program it) and points taken from measurements by Royer et al, who looked at carbonate levels in the sea (quite a heavy read here). They propose that carbonate levels are much more reliable than atmospheric CO2, and that variations in solar flux are much less important.
Solar flux ? right, so you are measuring co2 in the sea and now that is what you base your correlation on ? this leads you to think that co2 has a direct effect on temperature ?
No scientists tweak data and get away with it.
This is the sort of gullible mentality that believes any science that it comes across, as long as it is rubber stamped.
6. Not necessarily. The proportion of gases in the atmosphere is crucial to life. The atmospheres of Mars and Venus are over 95% CO2, and as far as we know are inhospitable to life. The Earth is unique in that it has an oxidising (lots of O2) atmosphere unlike the other planets, which are oxidised (CO2). So I would say, better to not mess with the atmosphere at all, it's a very fragile set up.
Of course there is a balance in the atmosphere but when we have over 70% nitrogen and co2 makes up a very small percentage of the atmosphere and has a natural way of removing it self from the atmosphere, i just can not see the reason for the emphasis on co2 in this context.
How exactly do we know the atmospheric make up of mars and venus again ? Is it through heat signature ? infared ?