Gordon Brown's 'bigoted woman' jibe

Dolph said:
There are only a few options here.
  • Brown thought her views were bigoted, so the apology was a lie.
  • Brown didn't think her views were bigoted, so his outburst was irrational which isn't particularly a good charactistic for a leader.

Massive own goal here I feel.
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so true with the options and own goal things

I would have just not apologised :p
 
To be honest I would never vote for Brown. However I am sure all the leaders have a moan when tackled like this to their advisors. He was just the one who got caught.

Leaving the insults aside I think what is more damaging was that Brown has tried to percieve he has been out meeting normal day to day people. But his comment "she should never have been let through" shows that they have been screening everyone he meets carefully.
 
Well TBH who doesn't have their own opinion about others? He just got caught saying it out loud. To me it's a whole big whatever, just the media circus picking up on the minutist things to make a story. It's more shocking how easy people are so easily influenced by the media.

I'm not a fan of Browns at all, infact i'd rather he went but FFS WTF?? He's not allowed an opinion? or to get disgruntled when things were not going his way? I think it's their own fault in a way by trying to portray this sqeaky clean image when clearly they are just human.
 
brummie said:
Well TBH who doesn't have their own opinion about others? He just got caught saying it out loud. To me it's a whole big whatever, just the media circus picking up on the minutist things to make a story. It's more shocking how easy people are so easily influenced by the media.

I'm not a fan of Browns at all, infact i'd rather he went but FFS WTF?? He's not allowed an opinion? or to get disgruntled when things were not going his way? I think it's their own fault in a way by trying to portray this sqeaky clean image when clearly they are just human.
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He's allowed to do both these things, but the big damage (from my perspective) was in his response on being caught out. It has just come across as massively insincere and just more spin and lies one way or another. There is only one thing that we can trust to be a true statement of feelings, and that was what said in the car.
 
Gordon Brown when he smiles and attempts to engage his audience is reminiscent of some Orwellian dystopian society father figure leader, his expression represents the opposite of his true intention.

He is almost a stereotype of every authoritarian leader that dystopian futurist authors have ever invisaged.
 
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Hatter The Mad said:
It is repeating again on Sky News.

What I cannot understand is why he has this broad grin on his face when he says "I am mortified" (after leaving her house)... I mean, that is just not the sign of a sane man.
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Its because he knew people would be suckered by his "apology". The truth is that he wasnt "mortified" about what he said, he was "mortified" that he got caught saying it. There is no way he would have bothered to apologise to her if the general public hadnt heard him say it, indeed he made no hint of any intention to actually apologise until he found out that the public knew what he said.
 
I was listening to Radio 2 when they First played it back to him.
If anything Yesterday drew me Closer to Brown rather than further away, Locally that Old Women is known as opinionated, In other words she is a Mouthy old bag.

Why do poeple watch/Listen/take notice of what the Media says Instead of making there Own minds up.


Out of the Three Characters I'd say Brown is Assured & looks the part where as the other two look like bit part actors.

Not made my mind up yet but Gordon is definately leading the way for me at the mo.
 
malc30 said:
I was listening to Radio 2 when they First played it back to him.
If anything Yesterday drew me Closer to Brown rather than further away, Locally that Old Women is known as opinionated, In other words she is a Mouthy old bag.

Why do poeple watch/Listen/take notice of what the Media says Instead of making there Own minds up.


Out of the Three Characters I'd say Brown is Assured & looks the part where as the other two look like bit part actors.

Not made my mind up yet but Gordon is definately leading the way for me at the mo.
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On the other hand, being opinionated doesnt necessarily mean that the opinion is wrong.

I just wish that he hadnt apologised, I wish he had simply stood his ground and said yeah , I said that, and I still stand by what I said and here is why....

I would have respected that a lot more than caving in and making an apology.

Right now I would say that the most assured looking is Clegg, though there is of course reasons why he is able to look assured. I would actually say that Cameron and Brown both look the least assured.

Throughout the campaign so far though, nothing has yet swayed me away from my original intended vote (conservative). Time is running out for that to change and I dont think there is time or inclination for either of the other partys to change their policies prior to the election towards something more in line with my thinking anyway. So currently its a blue box tick for me.
 
This whole media charade about Brown's gaffe, is starting to get boring now.

Can we please get back to the real things that matter, i.e. the policies?
 
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That women is an idiot, and to be fair probably is a bigot although I'm not sure what she actually said proves it. Big gaffe for Gordy either way.

What I find particularly interesting is complainging about Eastern European immigrants, since they are IMO a clear net benefit for the country. You couldn't get a decent bloody builder or plumber in this country until Eastern Europeans arrived (I'm not saying there weren't any, but they were vastly outnumbered by cowboys). They aren't even brown, and culturally they're quite similar to us!

As has been said before, it wouldn't be a problem if people in this country would do the same work. Not a Labour voter btw.
 
malc30 said:
Exactly what I thought myself.
The Media in this country are a Disgrace, No more than Vultures, Parasites.
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Here, here.

It was always going to get attention granted, but does it need to be on the front-page of every news outlet including the BBC, for two days running?

I don't want it mentioned on tonight’s TV debate; it has nothing to do with the policies of the respective parties.

I want to hear how each party could fix our economy, not what Brown's opinion of one old woman is.

Though I must add, I can't help but feel there has been a slight backlash towards certain media corporations during this election.
 
None of the really big issues are being discussed, it's all focusing around policies that will make £100 per year difference to the average voter rather than the things that will directly affect their lives in a big way like for example how owners of small businesses or civil servants will be affected by future cuts.

We don't even know what we're voting for, since none of the parties are revealing their detailed plans. Accordingly, I won't be voting, as I have no idea what I'm really voting for.
 
JamesU2005 said:
I want to hear how each party could fix our economy, not what Brown's opinion of one old woman is.
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Exactly !
Also they need to open up about immigration without being shouted down by Saddle wearing Hippys.
 
To be entirely fair though, we cant simply lay the blame totally at the feet of the media. The media generally does what "sells", if people werent interested in the item in question the media wouldnt bother running with it. So we are also to blame for what the media shows.

As an example of that, this very thread is people talking about this particular event. If people really didnt want to talk about it then nobody would post in this thread and it would simply die off. The very fact that this thread continues shows that people do want to talk about it. (rightly or wrongly)
 
Tombstone said:
The very fact that this thread continues shows that people do want to talk about it. (rightly or wrongly)
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I think people just want to talk Issues.
I have to say I'm quite impressed with the general public this Election as it seems they are actually wanting to get involved. :cool:
 
Tombstone said:
To be entirely fair though, we cant simply lay the blame totally at the feet of the media. The media generally does what "sells", if people werent interested in the item in question the media wouldnt bother running with it. So we are also to blame for what the media shows.

As an example of that, this very thread is people talking about this particular event. If people really didnt want to talk about it then nobody would post in this thread and it would simply die off. The very fact that this thread continues shows that people do want to talk about it. (rightly or wrongly)
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Exactly. People have got the media and government they deserve. Unofrtunately the vast majority of the country is composed of moronic, clueless Sun readers and so we have a shocking media and governement. Unfortunately this is now a self perpetuating cycle due to the poor state of education and the media so there is little hope of it improving in the foreseable future.
 
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