Poll: The Last Leaders Debate – Live tonight at 2030 BST on BBC One

Who will you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 67 11.8%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 231 40.7%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 227 40.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 42 7.4%
  • Total voters
    567
  • Poll closed .
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The economic hole that this country is in presents the greatest opportunity for the next government to crack down hard on benefit fraudsters and can-work-wont-work scroungers. In the past, the governments have been too scared to - fearing losing the votes and appearing too right-wing.

Now there is a good excuse to do it.

Hopefully people won't vote Labour who will carry on with business as usual, and we can crack this can-work-wont-work problem once and for all.
 
The reason there a lot of Torys in this forum is the same reason there are a lot of intelligent people in this forum.

Oh, the controversy!!!
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Why do you think there is a correlation between intelligent people and Tory (and stupid people and anti-Tory).
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Why. People who are still voting for Labour are voting for their ideology but don't seem to realise that Labour have failed completely over the last 13 years and have delivered very little. Unless you're a die hard supporter I can't see the appeal in voting for them.
 
And while looking over the edge of the debt volcano we're being pushed into, it s business as usual for Labour...

Labour 'wastes' £61,000 promoting ContactPoint database
Figures released under the Freedom of Information Act show the cash was spent to raise awareness of ContactPoint – a new register containing the personal details of 11 million children in England.

Some £45,400 has been spent on pens and a further £15,700 on mugs bearing the database’s logo.

David Lyscom, chief executive of the Independent Schools Council, which obtained the figures, said they were only the “tip of the iceberg” of the financial waste involved in the £224m scheme
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...es-61000-promoting-ContactPoint-database.html
 
Hatter The Mad said:
The economic hole that this country is in presents the greatest opportunity for the next government to crack down hard on benefit fraudsters and can-work-wont-work scroungers. In the past, the governments have been too scared to - fearing losing the votes and appearing too right-wing.

Now there is a good excuse to do it.

Hopefully people won't vote Labour who will carry on with business as usual, and we can crack this can-work-wont-work problem once and for all.
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Benefit scrounging and tax loopholes are hardly a new thing that developed under a Labour leadership. I can't see the tories doing anything about it this time around either. If anything Labour tried to close some of the loopholes for self employed/contractor tax fiddles.

I would like to see the tories get tough but they won't.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
E-mail and press releases are very useful, you know? You don't need...
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Without commenting on the instant case people are much more likely to remember something based on a physical product linking to it or you could consider it this way you're much more likely to simply delete an email while you might use the pen or at least leave it around your desk.

RandomTom said:
Can't believe how many people have been persuaded to vote lib dems purely on a personality, in my opinion their policies don't add up!
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Maybe people aren't just voting based on personality though? As you've acknowledged it is an opinion whether the policies make sense or not.
 
ebilcake said:
I watched all three.

Yeah he said he would cap it, that's great. :D
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He explained that the Cap on immigration would be dynamic. A specific figure would be decided on an annual basis after consultation with business leaders and the relevent bodies.

He implied that a cap around 50k-70k would seem credible on several occasions. A Dynamic Cap on immigration dependent on need is a good sensible policy.
 
Mr Jack said:
So why do companies spend money on these things? Why don't they just use e-mail and press releases?
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Because companies have a vested interest in forcing their brand into the minds of other people (their leads).

Why on earth is the government spending taxpayer money on this kind of 'branding exercise' for a simple database?

Why does it need to be done? What benefit are you or I getting from them spending money on branding items with the name of this database?

It beggars belief... but the public get the government they deserve, I suppose.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Because companies have a vested interest in forcing their brand into the minds of other people (their leads).
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Companies frequently produce pens, mugs, etc. for entirely internal plans and initiatives.

Why on earth is the government spending taxpayer money on this kind of 'branding exercise' for a simple database?
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To get people to remember and use the database, of course.

Why does it need to be done? What benefit are you or I getting from them spending money on branding items with the name of this database?
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They're increasing the awareness and thus usage of the database among the target audience of database users. If that database is to have its full benefit then it needs to get people using it in the way they need to. To do that you first need to make people aware of it, and internal marketting tools such as pens and mugs are a not unreasonable part of that.

Now if you were to argue that the database itself is a big fat waste of badly implemented money I'd tend to agree with you. But if you're going to do something then spending a trivial amount of money actually making sure that the thing you've made gets used, and used properly, just makes sense. Blindly stamping down on stuff like this doesn't make government more efficient it just makes it spend less at the micro-scale - the two aren't the same thing.
 
Gaidin109 said:
He explained that the Cap on immigration would be dynamic. A specific figure would be decided on an annual basis after consultation with business leaders and the relevent bodies.

He implied that a cap around 50k-70k would seem credible on several occasions. A Dynamic Cap on immigration dependent on need is a good sensible policy.
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Which is fine for non-EU immigration, what about all the immigrants from within the EU?

Hatter The Mad said:
Because companies have a vested interest in forcing their brand into the minds of other people (their leads).

Why on earth is the government spending taxpayer money on this kind of 'branding exercise' for a simple database?

Why does it need to be done? What benefit are you or I getting from them spending money on branding items with the name of this database?

It beggars belief... but the public get the government they deserve, I suppose.
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If the people who could/should be using the database are aware of it through strong brand identity then they are more likely to utilise it. It's more difficult to engender this brand identity through an email or a press release. I don't know whether it is worth it in this case or not - I'm just illustrating a general point.

You may get absolutely no benefit from this database or the branding exercise directly but then there are lots of things which require done by a government that you will get no benefit from in any direct way.
 
Stolly said:
Stick a fork in Brown. Not before time.

Clegg isn't ready to lead the country. His lack of preparation was scary.

Its time for the Tories to fix the mess that Labour have left them, again.
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BS its time for "a" party to reform the system, take us out of the constant boom & bust cycle of this economic nightmare
 
AcidHell2 said:
No one is going to solve that, unless we pull out of the EU. Labour signed the deal and that's that.
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In which case it's disingenuous for Mr Cameron to tout it as a panacea to the complaints about immigration. For the most part I've got few problems with immigration but I do have some fairly significant gripes with people misrepresenting the position and suggesting they've got a solution when they don't.
 
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