TV licensing people are after me!

[Gaidin109]

Photons are a particle which are solid

Photons are an elementary particle so has no known substructure and as such have no rest mass or invariant mass, so it doesnt comply with any of the states of matter as we classify them. Photons or light cannot therefore be classified as a solid. They are in fact Energy.

 

[Energize]

THAt's complete rubbish and makes no sense. Don't try justifying it. In no way can radio waves be seen as a good, they are not. As such that law is totally unusable.
You can not just pick and choose what laws you want.

I'll pick and choose laws as I please thank you very much. As far as I'm concerned if someone is sending something to my private property without my request, whether that be physical goods, waves, particles, whatever, I can do as I please with it. If they don't want me to use it then they can either encrypt it or stop beaming it into my house.

And if you really want to follow that law, everypoint of it is followed. Description of goods is broadcasting. Price, payment and cancelations details are in the letters.

The letters are not given until after the goods have already been recieved, the info must be given before a contract is formed.

 

[Gaidin109]

I'll pick and choose laws as I please thank you very much. As far as I'm concerned if someone is sending something to my private property without my request, whether that be physical goods, waves, particles, whatever, I can do as I please with it. If they don't want me to use it then they can either encrypt it or stop beaming it into my house.



The letters are not given until after the goods have already been recieved, the info must be given before a contract is formed.

Your not paying for the radio waves or whatever, you are paying for a licence to operate equipment to recieve them.

This makes your argument void.

 

[Energize]

Your not paying for the radio waves or whatever, you are paying for a licence to operate equipment to recieve them.

The website states that a license is only needed to watch the channels not to operate equipment. However it is irrelevant either way, such a licence would be unethical and thus void as far as I am concerned.

 

[Gaidin109]

The website states that a license is only needed to watch the channels not to operate equipment. However it is irrelevant either way, such a licence would be unethical and thus void as far as I am concerned.

How do you intend to watch or 'use' these radio waves or channels without operating equipment?

 

[mattyfez]

How do you intend to watch or 'use' these radio waves or channels without operating equipment?

A licence is not required for the equipment, this is very clearly established both in law and on the tv licencing website, if you care to read it.

 

[snowdog]

Ah the joys of not having TV license ****. I'll probably not pay for a cable connection at all when I move out. I only watch a tad of nat geo and discovery at night occasionally now, but aside from that I never watch tv, I wouldn't really mis it. Downloading of series&films is still legal by law here I'd probably do that or just stream from the official site, these are covered by ads at start, there is no such things as a TV license here in the NL .

 

[Gaidin109]

A licence is not required for the equipment, this is very clearly established both in law and on the tv licencing website, if you care to read it.

But it is for the equpment to recieve broadcasts.

the licence is for the use of the equipment, not the ownership. The same as you can own a car without a licence, but you cannot drive it on a public highway.

 

[snowdog]

But it is for the equpment to recieve broadcasts.

the licence is for the use of the equipment, not the ownership. The same as you can own a car without a licence, but you cannot drive it on a public highway.

A license is for the tuner, not the screen itself, in the end a tv is just a big monitor.

 

[cheets64]

reminds me of the renewal drivers licence thread in motors

tbh I aint arsed what people do.

 

[Gaidin109]

A license is for the tuner, not the screen itself, in the end a tv is just a big monitor.

I didn't mention a TV screen, I mentioned Equipment able to recieve broadcast signals.

Have a look at the licence itself. It clearly states recievers.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/legislation-and-policy-AB9/

Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to install or use a television receiver to watch or record any television programmes as they're being shown on television without a valid TV Licence. The Act empowers the BBC to make and amend the terms and conditions of a licence. It allows the government to make regulations to exempt or reduce the licence fee for certain persons in certain circumstances. It also makes it an offence for anyone to have any television receiver in their possession or under their control who intends to install or use it in contravention of the main offence (above), or knows, or has reasonable grounds for believing, that another person intends to install or use a television receiver in contravention of the main offence.

 

[snowdog]

^
So, if the cable is disconnected there's no problem since the equipment isn't installed ?

 

[Gaidin109]

^
So, if the cable is disconnected there's no problem since the equipment isn't installed ?

Sure, if you can prove that you had no intention of installing it, or using it in ghe future. Good luck with that.!!!

 

[Glaucus]

^
So, if the cable is disconnected there's no problem since the equipment isn't installed ?

Computers and laptops

Many TV channels are now available to watch over the internet. If you’re watching programmes on a computer or laptop as they're being shown on TV, then you need a TV Licence. However, you don’t need to be covered by a licence if you’re only using ‘on-demand’ services to watch programmes after they have been shown on TV. So, you need a licence to watch any channel live online, but you wouldn’t need one to use BBC iPlayer to catch up on an episode of a programme you missed, for example.

Mobile phones
Just as with any other device, if you’re watching programmes as they’re being shown on TV on a phone or any other mobile device, you need to be covered by a licence. If you're covered by a valid licence at the address where you live, you'll be licensed to use any device powered solely by its own internal batteries outside the home too.

Sky+, games consoles and digital TV recorder
If you use Sky+, Playstation or any other games console or a digital TV recorder to watch or record programmes as they're being shown on TV, you need to be covered by a TV Licence. This is also the case if you use a DVD/VHS recorder.
If you only use your digital box to produce sounds (i.e. you don't use it to display programmes), then you don't need a TV Licence.

Basically you can have any equipment you want as you need a TV to play a console or watch dvds on.

 

[mattyfez]

But it is for the equpment to recieve broadcasts.

the licence is for the use of the equipment if and when it is used to recieve live broadcasts, not the ownership. The same as you can own a car without a licence, but you cannot drive it on a public highway.

Slight edit just to clarify - a TV that contains a tuner but is used as a monitor to view pre recorded material/video games does nor require a licence.

Misread your post there gaidin, sorry about that, I think we were both actually saying the same thing!

Anyway, all this is reliant on a person allowing these extortionists access to your house in the first place, the best way to avoid theses problems is to not contact them, and if they knock on your door, tell them to go away - they have no business whatsoever conducting any kind of inspection.

 

[Gaidin109]

Basically you can have any equipment you want as you need a TV to play a console or watch dvds on.

Which is basically what I said. The confusion comes from this in the legislation:

It also makes it an offence for anyone to have any television receiver in their possession or under their control who intends to install or use it in contravention of the main offence (above), or knows, or has reasonable grounds for believing, that another person intends to install or use a television receiver in contravention of the main offence.

Trying to prove you had no intention of using the equipment is somewhat difficult.

My point is that you are not been licenced for the broadcasts themselves as Energise seems to think, but the ability to receive them. If your equipment is not used or able to recieve the broadcasts fine, the same as if your car is not used on a road if you have no licence.

 

[bloodiedathame]

I hope they catch you for not paying. And I personally blame you for all the rubbish programmes on the BBC. Think how good they could have been if you paid up. Shame on you.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

Moron.

*Looks at Sig*

Typical.

 

[Amp34]

Sure, if you can prove that you had no intention of installing it, or using it in ghe future. Good luck with that.!!!

No, they have to prove you do...

 

[Amp34]

It also makes it an offence for anyone to have any sharp knife in their possession or under their control who intends to threaten or use it in a violent way, or knows, or has reasonable grounds for believing, that another person intends to threaten or use a sharp knife in a violent way.

Trying to prove you had no intention of using the equipment is somewhat difficult.

My point is that you are not been licenced for the broadcasts themselves as Energise seems to think, but the ability to receive them. If your equipment is not used or able to recieve the broadcasts fine, the same as if your car is not used on a road if you have no licence.

So, changing it to a knife instead of a TV, does that mean all people with sharp knives have to prove they aren't going to use it in an "illegal" manner?

Our laws are based on innocent until proven guilty, go to court and have the TV man say "he had a TV plugged in" is not going to get you fined if you stand up to it. They have to prove you intend to use it in that way.