Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

Who did you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 137 13.9%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 378 38.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 304 30.9%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 27 2.7%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 10 1.0%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 20 2.0%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • DUP

    Votes: 4 0.4%

  • UUP

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 3 0.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 1.6%

  • Abstain

    Votes: 80 8.1%
  • Total voters
    985
  • Poll closed .
rypt said:
I damn well won't respect your opinion if you are unable to provide some facts to backup the "omg they are evil" claims

I can respect people voting for a particular party, and people interpreting things differently ... but I cannot respect when someone sprouts BS constantly
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oh dear, I actually haven't got time to explain, plus I'm sure you would argue every point until the cows come home.

Your attitude loses you respect plus it appears quite dangerous.

either that or you are trolling;)
 
semi-pro waster said:
The BNP aren't a perfectly legitimate party - at least not according to the most recent judgement on their constitution, it is still indirectly racist if memory serves.

It isn't so much that they are outspoken, in fact you could argue with that description of them - they frequently don't even admit to the racism (even people who profess to vote for them often seem unaware of the elements of their constitution) which hardly qualifies as being outspoken, it's that they're hopelessly inept as well.
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Why aren't they perfectly legitimate? If they wern't then they wouldn't be able to have votes accounted to them.

Yes it is because of that...Because they aren't afraid to propose a way of sorting out some issues in this country and it happens to be a 'racist' way of doing it (Regardless...any way you sort out immigration etc its going to be viewed as racist)

Indeed...a lot of people have absoloutely no idea of what some of their previous mission statements were like, and still have no idea what they are like...But so what? Hundreds of people voted for the monster raving looney party 'because they can'...NOT because they actually believed in any of their policys.

What I found stupid and typical a few days ago was a radio interview with Griffin...He was there, like any other of the politicians before him to talk about how they would sort out the economy and bring us out of recession...Yet all the interviewer did was blab on about how racist they were etc etc...It was pathetic
 
rypt said:
The current Scottish government are the SNP - so clearly enough of the Scots want "independence" to have them as the government.
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How do you draw that conclusion?

The Scottish Parliament is decided by PR, and even though the SNP have the most seats, they are no where near having a majority.

The Scottish Government does not have the power to just make Scotland independent. If it did, then (imo) this would have had a huge impact on some of the SNP votes.

So many people seem to like to comment on Scotland's desire for independence, when usually they have very little clue about what they're talking about. I'm originally from a constituency where the SNP have been voted in for as long as I can remember - but I know for a fact that there was not much support for their policy on independence.
 
The SNP leader has called for a mish mashed alliance between Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid Cymru (why not chuck in the Green woman?) to form what I suspect will be a complete shambles of a "government".

Part of me hopes they actually go ahead with it and next year when the UK is in the same state that Greece is in right now they can hold another general election which the Tories should win easily... although I fear even riots on the streets on Scotland will not disuade them from voting Labour yet again.
 
rypt said:
why do Scotland, NI and Wales have a right to independent government while the English don't?
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To some point I do agree with you here. England should have the same right to 'devolved' decisions as any of the other countries. However, see below as well.

rypt said:
Lastly, why must England endure Labour governments just because the Scots are too thick-headed and keep voting for the socialists?
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It's not just Scotland that is still voting Labour. Scotland only corresponds to 41 of Labour's seats. In England they got 191 seats and 28% of the English vote, albeit a lot less than the 39% and 297 seats that voted Conservative.

But my point is that Scotland alone cannot force England to endure a Labour government. The same is not true in reverse. If England were to all vote the same way, then it wouldn't matter what the Scottish, Welsh and NI vote was, we could be stuck with a government voted for solely by England. Perhaps that's reason enough for there to be devolved rights to the other 3 nations?!

Like your post on Scotland's apparent desire for independence (which I replied to a couple of posts higher up), perhaps you should look into the facts, before making posts which don't actually reflect the truth.
 
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div0 said:
To some point I do agree with you here. England should have the same right to 'devolved' decisions as any of the other countries. However, see below as well.



It's not just Scotland that is still voting Labour. Scotland only corresponds to 41 of Labour's seats. In England they got 191 seats and 28% of the English vote, albeit a lot less than the 39% and 297 seats that voted Conservative.

But my point is that Scotland alone cannot force England to endure a Labour government. The same is not true in reverse. If England were to all vote the same way, then it wouldn't matter what the Scottish, Welsh and NI vote was, we could be stuck with a government voted for solely by England. Perhaps that's reason enough for there to be devolved rights to the other 3 nations?!

Like your post on Scotland's apparent desire for independence, perhaps you should look into the facts, before making posts which don't actually reflect the truth.
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Actually, the last Labour government had a majority of less than 41, so Scotland certainly can force a Labour government on to the country. They have also forced legislation on the rest of the country that did not apply in Scotland and they had no moral right to vote on.
 
Dolph said:
Actually, the last Labour government had a majority of less than 41, so Scotland certainly can force a Labour government on to the country.
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I think you should re-read my post.

Scotland cannot force a party to power based purely on their own vote, unlike England. They can influence the vote, but only if assisted by enough of the English vote as well.

Dolph said:
They have also forced legislation on the rest of the country that did not apply in Scotland and they had no moral right to vote on.
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As above, if you re-read my post I think I said that England should have the same right to 'devolved' decisions as any of the other countries.
 
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PR (FPTP)
234 (306) Conservative
191 (258) Labour
150 (57) Liberal Democrat
20 (0) UK Independence Party
12 (0) British National Party
12 (6) Scottish National Party
6 (1) Green
5 (5) Sinn Fein
4 (8) Democratic Unionist Party
4 (3) Plaid Cymru
3 (3) Social Democratic & Labour Party
3 (0) Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force
1 (1) Alliance Party
1 (0) Traditional Unionist Voice
1 (1) Sylvia Hermon
1 (0) English Democrats
1 (0) Respect-Unity Coalition

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, first time I've looked at RP properly!

Obviously PR suits the smaller parties. So who would be happy with 12 BNP and 6 Green seats?

Have a cut off at 5% you say? UKIP got the 4th largest number of votes and there were only on 3.1%.

Am I missing something here or does PR actually make things worse?
 
div0 said:
How do you draw that conclusion?

The Scottish Parliament is decided by PR, and even though the SNP have the most seats, they are no where near having a majority.

The Scottish Government does not have the power to just make Scotland independent. If it did, then (imo) this would have had a huge impact on some of the SNP votes.

So many people seem to like to comment on Scotland's desire for independence, when usually they have very little clue about what they're talking about. I'm originally from a constituency where the SNP have been voted in for as long as I can remember - but I know for a fact that there was not much support for their policy on independence.
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Enough people voted for SNP for them to form a government, a government being formed generally represents the fact that enough people of that country agree with the party forming the government...


div0 said:
It's not just Scotland that is still voting Labour. Scotland only corresponds to 41 of Labour's seats. In England they got 191 seats and 28% of the English vote, albeit a lot less than the 39% and 297 seats that voted Conservative.
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If Scotland was not part of the system then there would be 599 seats in rest of UK, of which the Tories would need 300.
They would have 306, thus would be forming a majority government right now.
Only 1 Scottish constituency voted for Tories.
 
PMKeates said:
I'd be very sure. A hidden difference in the distribution of public spending and tax receipts, is far removed from losing over 90 seats in an election and then the following week doing a deal with the SNP and PC on the basis of the ring-fencing of Scottish and Welsh public spending to keep you in office. The electorate would see through that one very, very easily!
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Agreed. The cuts are going to be unpopular enough as it is. If they are seen to be overtly disproportionate they'll be blood.
 
gambitt said:
Obviously PR suits the smaller parties. So who would be happy with 12 BNP and 6 Green seats?

Have a cut off at 5% you say? UKIP got the 4th largest number of votes and there were only on 3.1%.

Am I missing something here or does PR actually make things worse?
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It really depends on your definition of 'worse'.

PR is just designed to better reflect the public vote.

Like it or not, there were hundreds of thousands of people across the UK who voted for parties like the BNP, Green and UKIP. In a truly democratic society, should their votes really count for less than anyone else?

I'm not necessarily arguing for PR, just pointing out what it's benefits are considered to be. Moving to a PR based system would almost certainly remove the possibility of us seeing another majority government, and would instead require parties to work together.
 
Now that it's all over until the next election, i am gracefully exiting this thread, just going to watch the news with interest. Labour are utterly defeated, job done, no point arguing anymore. Con/Lib is a wonderful way for this country to be governed, in fact my dream would be a Conservative majority with Lib-dems as opposition. But anyway...i think we're going to have another GE in august-october time.

In the meantime, i iz litening to Pink Floyd as the world burns
 
Slam62 said:
oh dear, I actually haven't got time to explain, plus I'm sure you would argue every point until the cows come home.
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That is just another way of saying that you have no real reason to call the Tories evil, and that you're simply buying into the Labour and Union spin machines
 
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