Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

Who did you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 137 13.9%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 378 38.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 304 30.9%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 27 2.7%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 10 1.0%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 20 2.0%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • DUP

    Votes: 4 0.4%

  • UUP

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 3 0.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 1.6%

  • Abstain

    Votes: 80 8.1%
  • Total voters
    985
  • Poll closed .
Dolph said:
... However, fairness is a criteria, not the criteria when choosing a voting system. There is value in strong, decisive government ...
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I'm sure that we can all think of examples of strong, decisive dictatorships of the 20th century that would call into question your casual dismissal of the value of fairness :p
 
stockhausen said:
I'm sure that we can all think of examples of strong, decisive dictatorships of the 20th century that would call into question your casual dismissal of the value of fairness :p
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And there are plenty of weak, dithering but fairly allocated governments that call into question your dismissal of the value of strength. Indeed, if we end up with a rainbow coalition, we may well see that in action.

The thing is, the current system is not in any way fair. If it was, it should produce the same number of seats for the same vote percentage for different parties. (eg if 35%/30%/25% gives the largest party a majority in one case, it should do so in all cases).

I've already said I would prefer MMP/AMS, but with the caveat that the PM must come from the largest party to keep the power with the people. There is no point in greater fairness if the public loses all power to politicians in the process :)
 
Energize said:
How does AV not guarantee a majority? Votes are re-distributed until there is one majority party, that's how AV works.
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AV+ (the fair, proportional version) does not guarantee a majority. AV is not proportional so fails the much vaunted fairness criteria.

Furthermore, AV doesn't redistribute votes until there is a majority party, only until a candidate in a constituency has a majority. Big big difference.
 
King4aDay said:
From BBC: - BREAKING NEWS

I can reveal that the Liberal Democrat negotiating team met over the weekend not just with the Tories but, in secret, with a team from Labour consisting of Peter Mandelson, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls and Andrew Adonis, says the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson. So far, I can get no official comment from either party about what was discussed.
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Here is the relevant LINK.

I have to say that I applaud this comment by Nick Clegg:
Mr Clegg told reporters he understood people were anxious to know what was happening but said all parties and party leaders were "working flat out around the clock to try and act on the decision of the British people last Thursday in the election result".

He said they would arrive at a decision "as quickly as possible" but said he hoped people would understand they wanted to get the decision right rather than come to an arrangement that "won't stand the test of time".

"Bear with us a little bit longer and we hope we will be able to provide you with full announcement as soon as possible," he said.
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Nick Clegg is not going to get an opportunity like this again in the foreseeable future. In the interests of both the British people and the Liberal Democrats, it is absolutely appropriate that he should make every possible effort to come up with a lasting, workable solution - even if it does frustrate the meeja.
 
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Dolph said:
Furthermore, AV doesn't redistribute votes until there is a majority party, only until a candidate in a constituency has a majority. Big big difference.
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It does when your voting for party rather than MP which seems to be what most people want to do. Use AV to determine the winning party then use a form of PR to determine MP's based on that.
 
The Cleggster is starting to look like a potential statesman. I am very impressed by the way he is handling this.
 
simulatorman said:
Impressed by what, a quick interview outside his home or that his team have met Labour in secret?
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Impressed by the fact that he's actually walking the talk, unlike a certain politician who is currently cowering in Scotland.

Clegg has seized the initiative and could yet achieve a history-making deal. He gave a terrific off-the-cuff speech to the demonstrators and it sounds like he's making Cameron work hard for his coalition. This might be the threshold of a new era in British politics and Clegg is right at the forefront, making it happen.
 
I'd say Cameron is right at the front making it happen, since Cameron is leading a bigger party that are more stuck in their ways and he's already pushed them far further towards the 'centre' than many of them would have ever wanted.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/09/tory-activists-blame-david-cameron-chums

Looks like the Conservative party in-fighting has started already - remember John Major and the "b****ds"? IMO the biggest threat to the stability of this government comes from right-wing Conservative party activists, including a lot of backbenchers. They should remember that the country did not want a majority Conservative government, probably because of them!
 
Evangelion said:
The Cleggster is starting to look like a potential statesman. I am very impressed by the way he is handling this.
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Are you similarly impressed by shiny things? What a stupid comment. If anything he's come across slimey and selfish - like most politicians.
 
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