Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

Who did you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 137 13.9%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 378 38.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 304 30.9%
  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 27 2.7%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 10 1.0%
  • British National Party

    Votes: 20 2.0%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • DUP

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • UUP

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 3 0.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 16 1.6%
  • Abstain

    Votes: 80 8.1%

  • Total voters
    985
  • Poll closed .
Just think, if we get PR we can look forward to this same period of indecisiveness and back room deals with the party that came third holding all the power at every election. HUZZAH!


again NO, if a party came third they'd have to rely on coallitions in which theyd be strongly muted and in a coallition the best policies which are agreed on often get put through, which in turn hopefully about 60% of peopel will agree with

Whereas torys say were much better off having a government with 35% of the votes with say about 30% of people only agreeing with whats passed each time, legislation being passed at will?

I just don't understand the tory state of mind at all, sorry.


The concept of the BBC being right biased is laughable, it's well known the BBC is left leaning.
please please please don't give us that.

The BBC is neutral and liberal, this doesn't make it left wing as so many tory newspapers like to moan and complain. Lets keep in mind that the torys want to privatise the BBC to an even greater extent than other parties. its clear they have their own 'zomg left wing modeeled organisation' fear agenda at heart.
 
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again NO, if a party came third they'd have to rely on coallitions in which theyd be strongly muted and in a coallition the best policies which are agreed on often get put through, which in turn hopefully about 60% of peopel will agree with
Who says teh deals are what is best for teh country.

Just because a party decides they will do a policy for a coalition. Does in no way translate to 60% of the population agreeing to it.

People do not vote on one issue and it could be anything from 0-100%
 
Whereas torys say were much better off having a government with 35% of the votes with say about 30% of people only agreeing with whats passed each time, legislation being passed at will?

I just don't understand the tory state of mind at all, sorry.
Why are you singly out the Tory's here??? :confused:
 
Acidhell2 said:
As I said I am not against PR. But we need to do what's best for the UK, that requires a committee to look at all models and make recommendations. That might go against PR. Or it might recommend a particular PR.

What we don't want is it forced on us as some deal breaker which is forced through regardless on what is best for the country.
Like say, the Independent Commission on the Voting System (the Jenkins Commission) which took place in 1997?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_Commission_(UK)

Read away :)
 
How can the BBC have Nick Robinson reporting? Such a right wing biased ****.

His Tory past is awfully well documented (head of Young Conservatives), but his time at ITV and subsequently the BBC have been characterised his unbiased, impartial reporting.
Admit-ably, he has tripped himself up a little bit today.
 
No. They got ~47% of the seats with 36% of the vote, both they and Labour benefited a lot from FPTP*, the Libs were heavily penalised. The two parties who did worst out of it were UKIP and the BNP.

* - people talking about the system being biased against the Tories, and it was at this election, but only if your talking about it relative to Labour. Compared to everyone else (except the DUP anomaly) they benefit hugely from it.

Under PR with a 5% cut-off the BNP still wouldn't have any seats.
 
His Tory past is awfully well documented (head of Young Conservatives), but his time at ITV and subsequently the BBC have been characterised his unbiased, impartial reporting.
Admit-ably, he has tripped himself up a little bit today.
Frustration and tiredness I'm sure. He's great.
 
FPTP is not bias towards anyone, what is bias are boundaries towards Labour.
The issue with LD is that they have a bit of support everywhere, but no-where do they have enough support to beat out the other parties.

FPTP works perfectly well as it represents the wishes of the people in each constituency.
You can keep saying it, it doesn't make it any more true.

FPTP is biased towards large parties, and it is of course wholly unrepresentative of the wishes of the 'losing' people, which in many cases greatly outnumber those that voted for the 'winning party'

Changing the constituency sizes does not and will not make FPTP any fairer as the above flaws are inherent in the system.
 
again NO, if a party came third they'd have to rely on coallitions in which theyd be strongly muted and in a coallition the best policies which are agreed on often get put through, which in turn hopefully about 60% of peopel will agree with

Whereas torys say were much better off having a government with 35% of the votes with say about 30% of people only agreeing with whats passed each time, legislation being passed at will?

I just don't understand the tory state of mind at all, sorry.

please please please don't give us that.

The BBC is neutral and liberal, this doesn't make it left wing as so many tory newspapers like to moan and complain. Lets keep in mind that the torys want to privatise the BBC to an even greater extent than other parties. its clear they have their own 'zomg left wing modeeled organisation' fear agenda at heart.

So you honestly believe the best option for this country right now, is to enter into a system where every 5 years we would have this embarassing mess that we have now. A state where Clegg is whoring him self around with little regard for "national interest" whilst the pound continues to take a beating? A party with the support of 2.3 people out of every 10 who voted suddenly has ALL the power as to who forms the next government, that strikes me as being more undemocratic than PR to be frank.

Honestly, all this electoral reform stuff should be about 3rd or 4th on the list of important things to do. Certainly behind the rather large issue of sorting out the economy.
 
Labour support reform, Lib dems do. Torys oppose it as its their only hope of keeping power as the more media savvy generations come up through and start voting with the correct incentives

"Media savvy generations"?
What, the idiots that will vote based on soundbites and other 'cool' things?
Just as well the 'Lib Dem Facebook Army' were too lazy to actually go out and register to vote.

They are support their proposed changes to the electoral system to benefit their own interests, none of them are particular concerned about creating a fair system. There is no such thing as a fair system, people will always be unrepresented and others will be over represented.
I'm all for electoral reform, I'm also a Conservative voter. But we need to find a system that works for the majority - and it can't be born from the wills of ONE political party. There requires an informed, unbiased debate that is kept separate from party politics like the one that has happened before.
 
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