Does God cause suffering??

I consider myself an atheist and I got an A* on RS. It's not difficult. Just make sure you do background reading on Christianity and Christian beliefs. You don't necessarily have to agree/disagree with it, its more about understanding :)

I'm glad I took it, I just wish there wasn't such a big focus on Christianity, as I would have liked to learn more about the other religions, but ah well :(
 
MrMoonX said:
i think its wrong to try and brainwash children with this pap in school
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The term brainwash seems valid around religious upbringings, but then I look at myself and how easily I shrugged it off after childhood and it sounds a bit dramatic.
 
icysniper said:
wow, very interesting, don't think they want us to know that!



Yeh, using that as a quote (as we need them + bible refernces :o), very interesting that God lets him do it!



Now that you put it like that, shouldn't God be Satan and visa vera lol:confused::eek::p
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Would you like a more neutral answer or are you happy to have the Bible explained by an atheist?

In all things, when judging a statement, you have to consider the source. You can see that Tefal et al are staunch atheists.
 
This is actually quite a deep question... it hinges really on whether man has freewill or not...

To cut a long story short IMO for the most part man is the architect of his own misery. If we assume that man has a soul and on death can be reborn into this world in a new body. Then the world we live in is conditioned by the collective actions of the human race, which tends to be selfish, corupt and motivated by greed, power, etc. so in short we create the conditions that we are then reborn into, to suffer from our own actions. But if man doesn't have freewill then god set in motion the chain reaction that is our lives and decisions.

Hope thats clear enough without going into lots of detail.
 
FoxEye said:
are you happy to have the Bible explained by an atheist?
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I'd probably argue that you'll get the most objective analysis from an atheist ;)

Although on the other hand I'm also happy to accept that anyone can be objective. Whether you're christian, athiest, jewish, muslim, blablablablabla, anyone can give a rigorous analysis. Being religious doesnt make you an idiot after all.
 
Its generally people who don't care that can give the most objective analysis, most atheists are quite bias towards there not being god ;) and can be just as irrational in that respect as some of the religious nutcases.
 
FoxEye said:
Would you like a more neutral answer or are you happy to have the Bible explained by an atheist?

In all things, when judging a statement, you have to consider the source. You can see that Tefal et al are staunch atheists.
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I'm not an atheist...

But if the bible is to be believed the Christian god has a hell of a lot of blood on his hands.


Although interesting you say people left god when god threw them out of Eden.

That could be interpreted as misrepresenting the facts ;)
 
AcidHell2 said:
why most of the world is very religious indeed. Even the Uk is far more religious than people like to think.

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/World_religion
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Don't want to read through all of it now. Trying to actually do some revision for my GCSE's :eek:

I could see the number going down though...Like as i said within my year group of 200 a max of 10 are religious and would think of going to church. Could never see the others changing their minds when their older either so.

Though i wonder if statistics show the percentage of people who are 'this religion' or show how many people believe in the religion what they are.
I can't remember how it works out with Christianity but I'm Jewish. I don't believe in anything but my mum is Jewish so I'm Jewish... and shes jewish because her mum is and it goes on and on and on. So you could say im jewish but it doesn't mean i believe in anything.
Christianity is different isn't it? Well i've been told that anyway.
 
oli356 said:
Don't want to read through all of it now. Trying to actually do some revision for my GCSE's :eek:

I could see the number going down though...Like as i said within my year group of 200 a max of 10 are religious and would think of going to church. Could never see the others changing their minds when their older either so.
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But the people who don't have access to all the western luxuries and tend to believe the most breed much quicker than westerners :p
 
Tefal said:
I'm not an atheist...

But if the bible is to be believed the Christian god has a hell of a lot of blood on his hands.

Although interesting you say people left god when god threw them out of Eden.

That could be interpreted as misrepresenting the facts ;)
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If you shoot your dog for peeing on the floor you're an ass.

If you tell another adult human you'll shoot them for peeing on your floor, then they unzip their fly and pee on your floor, and you shoot them, who's the bigger ass?

Assuming, that is, the human didn't have a learning disability or some medical condition which made peeing on the floor a necessity :p
 
You because murdering someone for not doing as their told is just wrong...

But how about all the first born of Egypt?

What crime where they guilty of?

But that doesn't answer why you said in your example the dogs left of their own accord when they where thrown out...
 
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I think 'no posts on religion' should be added alongside 'no medical posts' as every thread always deteriorates quicker than my toilet paper after a vindaloo.
 
Tefal said:
You because murdering someone for not doing as their told is just wrong...
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In this case, maybe. Because they're both humans, and neither has the moral authority to take the life of the other.

Bear in mind, however, that no one was forcing the guy to pee on the floor. He was warned - he knew the consequences for it - and he chose a course of action which got him killed.

When God tells you not to do something or you'll die, he *does* have the moral authority to take your life. He's incorruptible and pure, and his justice is perfect and unbiased.
 
You may find some of these useful:

http://www.markc.me.uk/MarkC/Personal_Blog/Entries/2009/10/4_Malevolent_Benevolent_Problem.html

http://www.markc.me.uk/MarkC/Person...ore_on_the_Benevolent_Malevolant_Problem.html



Or in pictures:

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To twist that a little... its like god is playing a computer game... you don't feel bad after "killing" someone in MW2 do you? :D
 
So it's ok to murder someone, not for hurting anyone, just because they where "warned"?

That's one ****ed up moral compass.


When God tells you not to do something or you'll die, he *does* have the moral authority to take your life.
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Why does he?

I've never killed someone why is a mass murder of women and children morally superior?

He's incorruptible and pure, and his justice is perfect and unbiased.
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Really?

So what exactly did the baby's in their cribs do to deserve death?

How about jobe's family?

Why where they murdered?

Because as far as i can tell god murdered a mans wife and children because of a bet with the devil.

Surely someone pure and incorruptible would have said "no I'm not killing people just to win a bet, go away"
 
If by God you mean the Abrahamic god, then the answer is obviously yes. The Old Testament is full of examples of God causing suffering. Also as he created the entire world and everything in it he is therefore responsible for the entire world and everything in it.
 
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