VAT is going up to 20% say government

[fornowagain]

As stated in my edit above (which you might not have seen) my flat is only three years old, so this is not true.

They're revaluing soon anyway, it'll just get worse.

 

[antijoke]

Why should I pay more for council tax just because I live in a nice area?

How can you say that is fair?

 

[vincent1989]

Please look at my list (from wiki) above. How on Earth can the fact someone have a 'nicer place' have any baring on their local services?

fire, schools, leisure centres, park and ride schemes, parks and open spaces, street cleaning, subsidising of public transport, tourism, museums, environmental health and food safety in pubs, meals on wheels, facilities for young people, adapting homes for disabled people, play centres for children, cctv installation, sports facilities, issuing taxi licences.


i don't use any of the above (not currently) in my locale why should i pay the same as someone who does? (something i would have to do under a poll tax)

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Not picking on you personally here but this is something I have picked up on as of late, the majority blame labour for the misfortune that this country has had in the last several years. Yet what they dont remember is what went on before this, conservative goverment selling off many many British companies to foreign countries, thus causing issues which labour had to cope with. I do agree that Labour could have done a better job, but take into consideration what the Greeks are going through, if it weren't for Gordon Brown we would be worse off then them.

I can just see a facturite regime coming back and destroying this country further, if however it doesn't then maybe, just maybe, we will benefit from this coalition goverment.

my two cents, even if in comparison to some I am a newbie to politics.

Selling those same british companies that were operating at a loss, going on strike at the drop of a hat, and holding the general population as hostages everytime they wanted something different?

Oh, right, yeah, selling those companies really killed our nation.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

fire, schools, leisure centres, park and ride schemes, parks and open spaces, street cleaning, subsidising of public transport, tourism, museums, environmental health and food safety in pubs, meals on wheels, facilities for young people, adapting homes for disabled people, play centres for children, cctv installation, sports facilities, issuing taxi licences.


i don't use any of the above (not currently) in my locale why should i pay the same as someone who does?

Because you live there.

 

[muon]

Why should I pay more for council tax just because I live in a nice area?

How can you say that is fair?

Might not be fair, but its a very efficient form of taxation.

The Poll Tax for example would be the most efficient form of taxation.

Inheritance tax is another efficient form of taxation. In fact you could argue its more than that, since it forces people to supply more labour.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Do you know what? The last page or so in this thread would be very fitting in the "What is Broken about Britain" Thread from last week. People complaining that they are being hard done by just because their property is worth more, or that the area they live in has nice parks etc. "But I don't use them!!111"

Suck it up. You have a high value/desired property. You will pay more council tax because of it.

 

[vincent1989]

Do you know what? The last page or so in this thread would be very fitting in the "What is Broken about Britain" Thread from last week. People complaining that they are being hard done by just because their property is worth more, or that the area they live in has nice parks etc. "But I don't use them!!111"

Suck it up. You have a high value/desired property. You will pay more council tax because of it.

i completely agree with this.

 

[BlackCoat2k10]

Selling those same british companies that were operating at a loss, going on strike at the drop of a hat, and holding the general population as hostages everytime they wanted something different?

Oh, right, yeah, selling those companies really killed our nation.

I wouldn't go as far as saying 'killing' our nation, but certainly selling off the coal industry we had caused considerable damage in the long run.

I do agree with you though that something had to be done with those specific companies that took such extreme measures over minor issues, but selling them off was just in my eyes a last resort that could have been diverted around.

 

[D.Roberts]

Might not be fair, but its a very efficient form of taxation.

The Poll Tax for example would be the most efficient form of taxation.

Inheritance tax is another efficient form of taxation. In fact you could argue its more than that, since it forces people to supply more labour.

shame there not efficient with the money once they get it.

 

[edscdk]

as it stands my family of 5 (4 adults, 1 child) produce less waste than the family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) next door, why is it fair to charge us more for less of a service?

it's quite possible for more people to produce less waste than fewer people and yet under poll tax we would all be charged the same. rubbish.

but the lorry that collects the waste still have to drive to your house, and a person has to empty your waste into the lorry, it costs the same weather your waste weights 5kg or 10kg...

the different in cost between the miniscule ammout of extra fuel (to carry the extra 5kg), and the extra space it usd in the landfill hardly warrants a discount...

 

[antijoke]

Do you know what? The last page or so in this thread would be very fitting in the "What is Broken about Britain" Thread from last week. People complaining that they are being hard done by just because their property is worth more, or that the area they live in has nice parks etc. "But I don't use them!!111"

Suck it up. You have a high value/desired property. You will pay more council tax because of it.

Would you say it is a fair way of taxing people who rent property?

 

[muon]

Would you say it is a fair way of taxing people who rent property?

Rent is proportional to value. If you can rent the property, in the long run you would be able to buy that property.

Since its a yearly tax, it works out fine.

However, if the tax was a burden on the person owning the house, it becomes a wealth tax. Capital taxation is the worst idea there is. Damages the incentive to build wealth (capital), in this case it takes the form of houses.

 

[Bear]

You get service from the council. There is no "VIP Service" just because your property is more valuable, and thus your contribution to council tax is higher.

It is fairer simply because you own a more valuable property. I.e. you can AFFORD a more valuable property.

Huh ??, if there is no VIP service then everyone should have to pay the same for that same service. In fact ironically the better off areas get a worse service as the lions share of the money is channelled to areas of greater need (and probably rightly so).

It is not fair to penalise people with more valuable properties. The disparity in income arguement is tackled via income tax.

 

[TomHark]

Do you know what? The last page or so in this thread would be very fitting in the "What is Broken about Britain" Thread from last week. People complaining that they are being hard done by just because their property is worth more, or that the area they live in has nice parks etc. "But I don't use them!!111"

Suck it up. You have a high value/desired property. You will pay more council tax because of it.

I don't have a high value property though. It's worth about £100000, which is probably below the national average by some distance. My parent's house is worth about £150000, but for some reason I am on the same tax band. The whole system is broken.

 

[muon]

Huh ??, if there is no VIP service then everyone should have to pay the same for that same service. In fact ironically the better of areas get a worse service as the lions share of the money is channelled to areas of greater need (and probably rightly so).

It is not fair to penalise people with more valuable properties. The disparity in income arguement is tackled via income tax.

And its fair to tax people who earn more?

Income taxation has a lot of undesired effects, while council taxes have very few.

I know which one I'd pick.

 

[vincent1989]

but the lorry that collects the waste still have to drive to your house, and a person has to empty your waste into the lorry, it costs the same weather your waste weights 5kg or 10kg...

the different in cost between the miniscule ammout of extra fuel (to carry the extra 5kg), and the extra space it usd in the landfill hardly warrants a discount...

well then the argument that fewer people in a property use less is also a fallacy (which was the original reason i commented on poll tax).

 

[muon]

Also, wealthier places tend to have much better council services. I wonder why thats the case.

Why not petition your local council to spend less. Then the rates can fall.

 

[Bear]

And its fair to tax people who earn more harder?

Income taxation has a lot of undesired effects, while council taxes have very few.

I know which one I'd pick.

Im not trying to be funny but what does

And its fair to tax people who earn more harder

mean ??

edit: I just re-read it and I get your meaning now. IMO those that earn more shouldnt get taxed harder as I believe in a flat tax with a larger tax free allowance to take the poorer sections of the community out of tax all together. We have the cuurent tax system that is in place which aims to create a more supposedly fair financial tax burdern on income (ie earn more pay more). Council tax is about paying for local services, not about levelling the tax burden.

 

[Bear]

Also, wealthier places tend to have much better council services. I wonder why thats the case.

Why not petition your local council to spend less. Then the rates can fall.

Not true at all, council taxes gets channelled into areas of greater need within the council area and rightly so.