Poll: Do you support the BA Cabin Crew 12 day strike at Christmas?

Do you support the BA Cabin Crew 12 day strike?

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 12.5%

  • No

    Votes: 656 87.5%
  • Total voters
    750
  • Poll closed .
scorza said:
All the more reason for management to take up Unite's offer of more talks I would have thought.

Of course, this isn't really about the future of BA - it's about one man's ego and his desire to be known as a strike-breaker, even if it means the company he works for going down the pan. It's the same as Adam Crozier at Royal Mail - as soon as he quit the unions and management were able to reach an agreement and put an end to the strikes that cost the Royal Mail so much.
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Without significant changes in working practice and contracts for new staff moving forward, there is no future for BA. If unite feel as strongly as they do that their process is correct for the business, they should become shareholders and put across their points that way, rather than trying to hold the business to ransom.
 
Dolph said:
Without significant changes in working practice and contracts for new staff moving forward, there is no future for BA. If unite feel as strongly as they do that their process is correct for the business, they should become shareholders and put across their points that way, rather than trying to hold the business to ransom.
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Again, all the more reason for more talking between BA and Unite, and less antagonism. The cabin crew have offered to take pay cuts in the past so they aren't as recalcitrant as the right-wing media are trying to portray.

The modern workplace needs to be more sophisticated than a simple pyramid with the money flowing up and the poo flowing downwards.
 
To be honest, I am beyond caring now. The service I have recieved from BA has been appalling the last couple of times I have used them, Unite on the face of it seem to be being their usual militant selves, (expect more of it as inevitable public spending cuts start to hit) and the management want to play hardball. Fair enough, if it brings down the company then I have no real sympathy for anyone involved other than those workers that chose not to vote for strike action as they will still lose their jobs.
 
Dolph said:
It's already been made crystal clear that the current workforce is not having their terms and conditions changed in any way.
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If that were the case, I'm sure that BA would be more than happy to provide written guarantees that the terms and conditions of the current workforce would not suffer if they changed teams, voluntarily or otherwise ;)
 
stockhausen said:
If that were the case, I'm sure that BA would be more than happy to provide written guarantees that the terms and conditions of the current workforce would not suffer if they changed teams, voluntarily or otherwise ;)
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you appear to be confusing changing teams with changing job roles...
 
The Acas conciliation service has made a public offer to both sides in the cabin crew dispute at British Airways.
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BA says it will "respond positively" to the invitation. It added it had always said it was available for talks. (BBC online)
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Excellent news . . . but . . .
Tony Woodley, Unite joint general secretary said [on March 16th]: "The assertion made by Willie Walsh yesterday - and uncritically repeated by too much of the media - that Unite failed to attend talks at ACAS last weekend to resolve the BA dispute is utterly false.

Derek Simpson and I were in continual contact with ACAS over the weekend to explain our position on the dispute and at no time was it ever suggested that we should attend a meeting, nor that Mr Walsh was expecting one. ACAS have expressed their extreme annoyance at BA's misrepresentation of the position.

The facts are that yesterday ACAS asked Unite if we would suspend our strikes if BA put their withdrawn offer back on the table. We said yes. And it asked BA if they would reinstate their offer if we called off the strikes. The company said no.

It is therefore abundantly clear where responsibility for the continuation of this dispute lies." (politics.co.uk)
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I have to say that I was under the impression that BA had always rejected the involvement of ACAS. I wonder if something has changed now that the Tories are in power?
 
MrMoonX said:
tory anti-trade union legislation strikes again, they should just take illegal action like the POA did in august 2007! we've all still got jobs :p
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You would think that a union as large and experienced as Unite would be able to hold a legal strike ballot. What did they do wrong this time?
 
RDM said:
You would think that a union as large and experienced as Unite would be able to hold a legal strike ballot. What did they do wrong this time?
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They didn’t inform their members properly of the detailed vote results (you work that one out) (or bribe the judge). ;)
 
Hahahaha.

Unite are a bunch of bloody fools and the sooner they wake up and realise how screwed BA are without major changes the better or the whole bloody lot will be without jobs.

Willie will be ok because of his salary so Unite will simply have screwed their own members. Good one Woodley you utter pillock.
 
I wonder how much money unite have wasted in ballots, strike actions and failed strike actions. Twice they've been to court to be told they don't even know how to ballot their members. If i was paying union fees to unite, I'd be seriously concenrend about the wages paid to the union higher ups, and just wtf they are doing.

Strikes kill BA, BA gets bought over instead of buying other things over, Unite members get sacked anyway. Either way they'll lose out, time to get to grips with reality, there will be cuts everywhere, the more you fight them the more longterm they'll have to be to compensate.
 
Unite chappie just been on C4 news that the reason the strike is illegal was because they didn't advertise the fact there were 11 spoilt ballots well enough. Seems quite preposterous to me that an overwhelmingly backed strike can be prevented because of that, but I guess it's possible that's just Unite spin. Whatever, Unite should be able to hold proper and legal ballots /facepalm - time for some senior union members to do the honourable thing and resign.

Let's just hope that both sides use this delay to do something constructive and talk, rather than antagonise each other.
 
scorza said:
Unite chappie just been on C4 news that the reason the strike is illegal was because they didn't advertise the fact there were 11 spoilt ballots well enough. Seems quite preposterous to me that an overwhelmingly backed strike can be prevented because of that, but I guess it's possible that's just Unite spin. Whatever, Unite should be able to hold proper and legal ballots /facepalm - time for some senior union members to do the honourable thing and resign.

Let's just hope that both sides use this delay to do something constructive and talk, rather than antagonise each other.
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The problem is that some members are in other Countries and 'in the Air' so to speak for extended periods, BA say that Unite should be able to inform them using Twitter and modern tech such as that, Unite say that is ridiculous. The Courts agree with BA however....go figure.:rolleyes:
 
scorza said:
Unite chappie just been on C4 news that the reason the strike is illegal was because they didn't advertise the fact there were 11 spoilt ballots well enough. Seems quite preposterous to me that an overwhelmingly backed strike can be prevented because of that, but I guess it's possible that's just Unite spin. Whatever, Unite should be able to hold proper and legal ballots /facepalm - time for some senior union members to do the honourable thing and resign.

Let's just hope that both sides use this delay to do something constructive and talk, rather than antagonise each other.
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its so ridiculous especially when BA are the ones refusing to talk, this just about sums up tory anti-trade union legislation from the late 80s early 90s
 
MrMoonX said:
its so ridiculous especially when BA are the ones refusing to talk, this just about sums up tory anti-trade union legislation from the late 80s early 90s
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and there has been over 13 years of labour, whom are heavily supported and funded by the unions to change the laws, yet they werent changed...
 
I'm shocked that Unite can't follow simple and clear rules, and then moan when it invalidates their strike ballot for the second time...

I look forward to them compensating BA and the passengers their illegally held strike in March impacted :)

After all, companies don't get a free pass when they do something illegal, however small, so why should Unite?
 
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