Epic say 'The Money's On Console'

I have not bought a pc game other than some cheap old school game in 5 years or upgraded my pc to play current gen games, its became a bore, a unnecessary need to be pushing 3dmark scores to be in front with my graphics card, games are games, you can play them in any res with no aa or 8x aa, if you enjoy them on any platform continue, I am hooked on console gaming I always have but I was also hooked on PC gaming late 90s early 00s I grew out of the constant bickering, you look at any game thread in pc section and on every page you will find multiple posts on "how do i make it run better " "I need the config to make it look better" beauty of console game is you see what you get and publishers and developers have seen a mass market for it.

I understand what your saying but if consoles had the option to download better looking graphics then people would do so. Its a choice to make the game look better than standard and in pretty much all cases a PC is capable of far better graphics than a console because PC improvements are that much quicker into the market than consoles. You don't need console game tweaks because each game runs on one platform whereas PC components are numerous and of varying capabilities. I do however appreciate this has a negative effect of making a PC game probably more complicated because it has to cater for all - in turn making it more expensive to design I assume.

The only reason I kept my PS3 for so long was for bluray playback. I'm happy I stuck with PC gaming and unlikely to ever buy another console. PC gaming isn't going to die and those games that do come out for the PC will still be very good.

One thing I do find a little strange is that those that do DL a pirate game have probably spent close several hundred pounds on the machine yet won't pay the £25 for a game????
 
I'm building a new gaming PC as we speak and nothing in this thread puts me off one little bit, i'm happy to spend the money as long as I do it wisely you dont have to spend a small fortune you can build a very nice gaming rig for what I consider a decent amount of money and it can last 4 years like my current gaming rig if you plan it out properly

I used to have an Xbox 360 and I sold it after a few months simply because the graphics were awful, the kids got on my nerves and all the same titles were on PC but cheaper also the gaming experiance using a pad and sitting on the sofa, its just not the same thing as having a PC monitor in your face with 5.1/7.1 right next to your head

Saying that, most of my mates have moved onto console because they cant afford to build PC's anymore, well neither can I but I saved for 6 months, in the end when you see a game running on a console and then on your PC its all well worth it IMO

There will always be a market for PC's, I mean i'm a n00b here and i'm amazed at this forum and how fast it moves and how many users there are and most people are here for one thing, PC's.
 
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Saying that, most of my mates have moved onto console because they cant afford to build PC's anymore, well neither can I but I saved for 6 months, in the end when you see a game running on a console and then on your PC its all well worth it IMO

what, even if all your mates are on xbox?

im lucky/unlucky in that none of my mates really play games anyway apart from the one one, so me owning a ps3 and a pc makes no ends anyway as i only ever play with strangers (except on COH)...

however if all my mates were on xbox then id be missing out really..or at least thats how id feel.
 
Yeah four of my mates regulary play Xbox but thats the thing, the idea is great, but in reality the amount of times I actually played Xbox with my mates when I had one was few and far between. They still have Xbox's and regulary attempt to wind me up with comments such as "we played BC2 together it was awesome" but it doesnt bother me in the slightlest, I like my eye candy and I hated pads, keyboard and mouse gives a better gaming experiance with FPS
 
All I'm trying to say is console gaming will die in the next 5-10 years because of the rise of cloud gaming in the future and most gamers wanting to jump onto cloud gaming will very likely have their own computer and just use that as specs, drivers etc don't really matter.

Therefore the whole 'pc gaming is dieing' will start to turn into 'oh crap wait, console gaming is dieing', I just think it could be midly amusing :p

Actually PC gaming might as well be dead too then, as my definition of PC gaming is being able to mod/tweak things, which is what makes PC gaming so special, so with cloud gaming that won't be possible I would think ;)
 
There is a ton of piracy on Wii, DS, PSP, Xbox36

Thats correct but doesnt have as much as of effect like it does on PC or hasnt yet. + in WII case amount of them people bought nintendo are well minted on that untill next consol they do no doubt.

I used to play all my games on PC granted was fair few years ago but now i just find it easier on consol + im sick of PC just getting bad ports. I mean devs should put some more effort in imo.

Downside is have a powerfull pc rig but just a media streamer now =(
 
I don't know anyone with a console, who doesn't have a desktop,

I think it's starting to change over the last year or so though; not only are console reaching out to an older generation/different market (Wii etc) and thus finding a place in more than just the teenagers bedroom, but also laptops really seem to be booming of late. I know people who have a console and laptop but no desktop (my brother in law for example), it just suits the modern way of living for some people, nice small wireless device, plenty of power, under £500 etc. Gone are the days when you had to pay nearly double the cost of a desktop for the same spec.
 
Kind of sad how Epic went from the original Unreal series\PC platform to milking the Gears of War crowd on the Xbox 360...

I'd rate Gears 1/2 better than Unreal 2 tbh. The only decent single player game they've made on the PC that i know of in relatively recent history is Unreal which was amazing (though released over a decade ago), Gears is a pretty good series though.

Also Shadow Complex (a lesser know 360 game made by Epic) was amazing.

They're still doing a pretty decent job as a developer, though there's many out there that outshine them on both the PC and consoles.
 
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I'd rate Gears 1/2 better than Unreal 2 tbh. The only decent single player game they've made on the PC that i know of in relatively recent history is Unreal which was amazing (though released over a decade ago), Gears is a pretty good series though

I was referring more to multiplayer aspects because that is ultimately what gives a game its longevity, but I take your point.

They're still doing a pretty decent job as a developer, though there's many out there that outshine them on both the PC and consoles.

Exactly, as someone already said UT3 basically bombed completely, despite having a solid engine behind it.
 
I think an important note that people need to take in to consideration more is that you can't really directly and fairly compare the prices of PCs and consoles simply because a PC for games isn't "only" for games, where as the majority of what a console does is for games.

Well you can compare of course, but people tend to just compare the hardware costs and neglect to mention the differences in abilities of the hardware.

I suppose one great point is that a PC is also technically a retro console too, with you being able to play all retro games on them. In fact, you can run console emulators for all consoles except for the Xbox, Xbox 360, and PS3.

My PS3 can't play my PS2 games, but no worries, I can just run them on my PC, and inject some graphical upgrades in to them at the same time, such as AA/AF and much higher resolutions.

People who buy a "gaming" PC, they will be doing other stuff on it other than gaming though. They will probably have office installed on it too, which is just one example.

I love to play games on my PC, it's my favourite platform, but I do a lot with my PC, not just games.

I suppose the PC as a gaming platform, for people who *only* play games (I doubt this is ever the case though) is a poor value choice compared to a console.

Then again though, once you start buying the games, the consoles start to very quickly, become the more expensive platform.

Considering the average console game is 50%+ more expensive than its PC counterpart.

Take a PS3 at £300, add 15 games for £40 a go, you've got £900.

You could build a decent gaming PC for £500, 15 games at £20 each, you've got £800.

The more games you buy, the worse the console value is.

30 games and the PS3 = £1500

30 games and the PC £1100.
 
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Regarding this, I've been playing some MW1 on both PC and PS3 this past few days. While I struggles to aim I did have some good fun on the PS3. Played 3 matches and got my arse handed to me. Immediately jumped on the PC version and whilst I was able to hold my own I noticed two cheaters. Damn annoying. So frustrating to and made the game a bit pointless. I'm not sure about PS3 cheaters, but the kill cam's all looked fair enough to me. Anyway regarding your point I did come across this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrcdWfQH4Gk&feature=player_embedded

Gets pretty good reviews on various retail sites and although I wont get one as I'm a PC gamer at heart I would like to try one.

Thanks for the video. It certainly is stepping in the direction I would like to see, so one day I am sure conditions will give me the incentive to try something out like this. :)
 
I was referring more to multiplayer aspects because that is ultimately what gives a game its longevity, but I take your point.



Exactly, as someone already said UT3 basically bombed completely, despite having a solid engine behind it.

Thing I don't get about Epic is that it was very clear than UT3 was pretty much a techdemo for their UE3, and while UT3 sold terribly, their UE3 is very very widely used, they must be raking in a fortune from it.

Don't forget though that Epic were also one of the first (if not the first) to start complaining about second hand games and likening them to pirated games. It's very clear that piracy is just a scapegoat that they're using as an excuse to pull out of the PC market.

If they didn't blame piracy, what else would they say? They're just trying to preserve their image by complaining about piracy, especially since you commonly get people who go on about how piracy is evil and is stealing (which it really isn't, and I wish people would get over it) and put their arguments forward in such a way they that they try to make you look bad for disagreeing with them.

People need to get over piracy and stop whinging about it, they don't seem to understand what it's really done to the industry. Additionally for those who are arguing it to the extreme, each pirated game IS NOT a lost sale, factually it isn't.

Firstly, it's common for some people to buy the game, but then leave it in its case and download and run a cracked one. Secondly, you've got the people who use them as demos.

You have the people who download everything and anything and never get around to playing any of the games they download. You've also got the people who wouldn't ever buy the stuff they download because they either can't afford it, or don't think it's worth it.

MW2 is a very very poor example to use too, a lot of people downloaded it out of spite for what was done to it, Same thing happened to spore as well, people only downloaded it to spite EA.

I downloaded MW2 around its release and I can say I would have NEVER bought it, I thought it was junk, played it for maybe an hour (and most of that was just trying to get the best time around the beginning arena) and then didn't touch it again.

Piracy is something that doesn't bother me, I know better than to think it's "ruining" PC gaming, it's simply not true, it pushes the good devs to do better and give people more, and better reasons to chose the "legit" ways.

Take a look at valve's policy on piracy, and you'll see they consider it just that, competition. Their methods against piracy are also working very well, to the point of it being transparent.

I find it hilarious that the only people who are "victims" of the anti-piracy methods generally used are the paying customers. Only those who purchase DVDs and BDs ever see the "PIRACY IS A CRIME AND IS STEALING BECAUSE WE CLAIM IT IS" "adverts".


Removed some of the double spacing, just for you Evilsod.
 
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Argh please stop pressing enter after every fricking sentence!

And i must say those *incredibly* irritating anti-piracy messages on dvds really do get on my nerves... they're so utterly ridiculous. "Zomg you're funding terrorism!" If that was true then wtf is taking the police so long to track em down?
 
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Argh please stop pressing enter after every fricking sentence!

And i must say those *incredibly* irritating anti-piracy messages on dvds really do get on my nerves... they're so utterly ridiculous. "Zomg you're funding terrorism!" If that was true then wtf is taking the police so long to track em down?

Double spacing makes it much easier to read (plus, it's not after every sentence).

But yeah, funding terrorism? :confused: Downloading stuff for free is terrorist activity? Does it mentally harm the shareholders of these big conglomerates so much that they can claim it's terrorist actions against them?
 
Double spacing makes it much easier to read.

I think you've missed the meaning of double spacing. I'd say it means 2 spaces after a full stop, putting an empty line after a paragraph makes sense but putting 1 after every damn sentence makes it borderline unreadable. The whole thing seems so disjointed.

God knows, i blame the video piracy unit :p
 
Double spacing makes it much easier to read (plus, it's not after every sentence).
You have 17 single and 1 double line of text. I like it when people use paragraphs but double enter after nearly every line of text :confused:? To me it looks like 17 1 line paragraphs, makes it terrible to read imo.


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Epic simply moved to an audience that is less demanding and easier to milk for money. But I wouldn't call gears of war a great game, certainly not better than the UT series, it's okay, but extremely boring overall, only fun to play in CO-OP with a mate.
 
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