The REAL reason why they haven't been back to the Moon

I'll probably inherit the new Magik nickname but hey what the hell.

All the people instantly dismissing these sorts of things are equally as uneducated (for lack of a better word) about the subject as those who make such claims.

It seems to me there is rarely anyone on the fence with such things.

There are people who dismiss such claims out-right, sometimes (as seen above) without even seeing or researching the 'evidence' provided.

On the flip-side, there are those who avidly believe in UFO's and being deceived by higher powers, and like the prior, believe so without looking for alternative explanations. For example, If you watched the video they mentioned lightning being seen inside some craters, but this can be explained without any theories of aliens, but instead electrical discharge on the moon.

But there are a few middle-men, those who try to debunk claims like these, looking for evidence both for and against. These people I think are the only ones who provided any actual insight into such claims, rather than just opinion.

Let's be honest, your next-door neighbours could be getting robbed right now and you probably wouldn't know, how can you be so certain you 'know' what's going on on the Moon some 240,000 miles away. You don't (both for and against UFO's and the like) and there are very few people who actually do, you've seen photos but that's it.

I think the real reason people don't truly know is the simple and sad fact people don't seem to care. I'm going to sound like a right hippy now but how often have you just stood and thought about where you actually are in relation to the solar system, the galaxy and the universe? Funnily enough light pollution is a bugger to realising this (that and English weather) Yes we see the moon, but how often do you stare up at it and contemplate how far away it is, how insignificant we are.

I'm rambling so I'll just leave you with an incredible video (no aliens mentioned). If we could see this with our own eyes most nights I think more people would care about what/who else is out there.

 
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AcidHell2 said:
There is no evidence, there isn't even any sound reasoning it is crackpots and dismissed as such.
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I posted this link in the conspiracy thread but I suppose it relates to this thread;

http://www.iirobotics.com/component/content/153.html?task=view

This one is a big big read with a lot of technical words most of which went right over my head, but I got the general gist of it;

http://astroengineer.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/a-curiosity-of-spirit-full-document/#part1

http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm

Now I'm not saying there is a base on the far-side of the moon, but I'm open to the possibility there could be.

There is 'evidence'. Depends how you define it though I suppose, a photo from a big company is more plausible than by a single person, a single person can be a loony yes, but a big company? Then again, a big company have hell of a lot bigger motives than a single person has to try and deceive someone. I won't go on about how the media is one of the most powerful creations to control/influence the masses but the sad truth is it's true. Look at swine flu? A few months back if anyone sneezed they thought they had it, nowadays it's back to being a typical cold but why? Probably because the news stopped reporting about it.

If you look there are several official NASA radio conversations and videos taken from the ISS that present some anomolies and stange goings on. Just youtube them as I don't want to spam this thread with tons of videos no one wants to watch.

It's a sad state of affairs if anyone who claims to have seen or believe in the existence of UFO's is instantly seen a crackpot. Especially when there are people coming forward from fairy high up places to state they believe and 'know' about UFOs, if you youtube 'Former canadian defence minister' he has some interesting things to say.

I'm probably coming off as loony now, but if anything I think the idea of Extraterrestrial life is fascinating, and yes 99% of the stuff out there is probably totally made up, but that 1% that could seem very plausible is worth researching and asking questions about.
 
Yes you are a loony, there is no evidence there, it's what ct's do, string rubbish together to form something which sounds plausible, but if looked in any detail is no. Just like particles of dust and ice around space craft. But no they must be aliens.

Yes there are real ufos, which should be reaserched. That in no way means they are et though. That's the problem a massive leap of faith to the least logical explonation.
 
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Holliday said:
All the people instantly dismissing these sorts of things are equally as uneducated (for lack of a better word) about the subject as those who make such claims.

It seems to me there is rarely anyone on the fence with such things.

There are people who dismiss such claims out-right, sometimes (as seen above) without even seeing or researching the 'evidence' provided.

On the flip-side, there are those who avidly believe in UFO's and being deceived by higher powers, and like the prior, believe so without looking for alternative explanations. For example, If you watched the video they mentioned lightning being seen inside some craters, but this can be explained without any theories of aliens, but instead electrical discharge on the moon.

But there are a few middle-men, those who try to debunk claims like these, looking for evidence both for and against. These people I think are the only ones who provided any actual insight into such claims, rather than just opinion.
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Most people just don't say anything. The "on the fencers" are in this majority, I'd imagine. The rest are just agnostic. Remember, those who are most vocal about it are usually going to be at one end (or the other) of the spectrum. This can be said for just about everything in my experiences. :)
 
some interesting stuff on those links, if the interviews with the apollo guys its real there is aliens on the moon, however I suspect its made up...
 
Ive always wondered that myself, these apollo guys go on about having seen aliens and artifacts. Are they making it up or are they trying to rekindle their fame?
 
AcidHell2 said:
Yes you are a loony, there is no evidence there, it's what ct's do, string rubbish together to form something which sounds plausible, but if looked in any detail is no. Just like particles of dust and ice around space craft. But no they must be aliens.

Yes there are real ufos, which should be reaserched. That in no way means they are et though. That's the problem a massive leap of faith to the least logical explonation.
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:) You're entitled to your opinion. I don't claim there are tons of Aliens buzzing around our sky, any bright lights I have seen in the sky are either planes which are pretty easy to discern, or chinese lanterns. I don't sit out on my lawn with my tin-foil hat claiming thats a UFO! when it's actually Venus.

It's human nature to be inquisitive and ask questions and question what we're told, if we didn't then science wouldn't exist or advance.


I'll link it, don't watch it if you not bothered but hey, it's a more credible opinion than an unknown crackpot.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Yes you are a loony, there is no evidence there, it's what ct's do, string rubbish together to form something which sounds plausible, but if looked in any detail is no. Just like particles of dust and ice around space craft. But no they must be aliens.

Yes there are real ufos, which should be reaserched. That in no way means they are et though. That's the problem a massive leap of faith to the least logical explonation.
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Equally, if there is no evidence to contrary, you are just as "loony". :) You've both got faith in opposite directions, calling each other Loony. It's like the Christians vs Muslims all over again. Neither have any proof that "their" faith is the "real" faith.
 
Holliday said:
All the people instantly dismissing these sorts of things are equally as uneducated (for lack of a better word) about the subject as those who make such claims.

It seems to me there is rarely anyone on the fence with such things.
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The reason people are "rarely on the fence" is that to be agnostic over whether we went to the moon is like being agnostic on whether the earth is round or flat. If you were sitting on the fence over whether alien life exists it would be understandable, but for going to the moon? no.

Holliday said:
There are people who dismiss such claims out-right, sometimes (as seen above) without even seeing or researching the 'evidence' provided.
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On Russell Brand's book, "My Booky Wook", Stewart Lee said:
"You can read Russell Brand's autobiography and dismiss it as rubbish if you like...
Or you can dismiss it as rubbish without reading it, to save time, if you'd prefer."
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If I had any reason to not believe the mountain of proof that we have been to the moon, I might for one moment consider evaluating the evidence collected from various conspiracy sites or clobbered together in some kind of video on youtube. After looking through said evidence, I might then point out the logical fallacies, the half-truths presented as facts or the things they have completely made up.

But to be honest, I'd rather just get on with my life.
 
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