The REAL reason why they haven't been back to the Moon

[Tefal]

been have you ?

dont say that these nothing there just becasue of what you are told.
they said there were WMD's in iraq
they sid swine flu was comming back to kill thousands

dont believe everything you see, we are the puppets controlled by the masters, but people are stating to wake up and one day all the non believers will see !!!!

care to answer

A question to the believers, if there are these secret/alien groups behind all these things and clearly willing to go to any lengths to control and cover up, do you honestly think they'd let some random post a video detailing the specific failings of their plot on youtube?

Or do you think just a powerful and seemingly evil group would have just had the video pulled and the man hit by a drunk driver on his way home?

Unless of course the guy works for them and is deliberately spreading misinformation so the people that actually look for these failings/conspiracies are kept occupied with the ludicrous and will either dismiss any more realistic genuine evidence that is leaked or serve to completely discredit it as soon as they become associated with it because people link them with "nazi bases on the moon"?

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Also if our masters are so powerful don't you think it's a mite silly to stand up and yell about them?


If you're to be believed that like a Jew in Nazi Germany standing up and calling Hitler a **** in front of a battalion of SS.


Not in the least bit sensible.

 

[GJ02]

end of the day...i have my views you have yours, the next guy has his,
until the day comes if it ever does, we will not know. simple as

 

[SexyGreyFox]

i have no idea as i have no proof, just like you have no proof these is nothing on the moon.

im just saying dont believe everything you are told or shown.

Who is this person that has shown me?

I know that no more craft have gone into space (other than the ones we know) because of the 1000s of Ham Radio enthusiasts who monitor the skies and now you can probably buy off the shelf gear to pick up transmissions.
If craft had been going to the moon we would have 1000s of testimonies from Radio enthusiasts picking the signals up.

 

[Lakeland]

Who is this person that has shown me?

I know that no more craft have gone into space (other than the ones we know) because of the 1000s of Ham Radio enthusiasts who monitor the skies and now you can probably buy off the shelf gear to pick up transmissions.
If craft had been going to the moon we would have 1000s of testimonies from Radio enthusiasts picking the signals up.

+ 1

 

[MameFX]

Who is this person that has shown me?

I know that no more craft have gone into space (other than the ones we know) because of the 1000s of Ham Radio enthusiasts who monitor the skies and now you can probably buy off the shelf gear to pick up transmissions.
If craft had been going to the moon we would have 1000s of testimonies from Radio enthusiasts picking the signals up.

It was also the Ham radio guys that intercepted a transmission from Apollo to houston in the 1969 moon landings that the public on TV knew nothing about...if you research it you can fiond out for yourself what they intercepted...conversations between apollo and houston confriming ET does exist.
http://ronrecord.com/astronauts/armstrong-collins-aldrin.html



Also if you watch the space race (BBC)....in 4 huge parts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Race_(TV_series)

that was released few years ago it tells of the Yanks and Russians race to the moon obviously,thing is the russians were way way way ahead of the yanks,then all of a sudden the yanks land on the moon,even when the russians were more technologically advanced in rocket design and propulsion and even they said it could not be done because of the Van Allen radiation belt and the inferior technology they had at the time.That is another story though altogether,some people believe the moon landings were faked,there is lots of evidence to suggest so.The space race was a time of the cold war and if the yanks could prove to the world that they had gone to the moon and back then the yanks would be seen as the more technologically advanced,hence put fear into there russian rivals.
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Some people actually claim that the moon landings were staged at Area 51 as some of the craters at Area 51 are exactly the same as some of the craters on the so called moon landings,maybe this could be one of the reasons why Area 51 is so heavily guarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5MVVtFYTSo
Documentary - Moon Landing Hoax - Conspiracy Theory
5 Parts FOX tv

I believe that nasa did go to the moon but what they found up there is a lot different to the doctored pictures that we are led to believe is the moon as we see it(grey and dusty).

Its only recently that they have officially announced that the moon has polar ice caps at north/south pole,i beleive the moon has weather cycles and is not that much different to earth in its formation geographically,but our governments of the world would want us to believe different,well some of them.

 

[Kurisu Makise]

well they obviously dont want to scare the clangers away

^ thats tiny clanger having fun times

 

[MameFX]

well they obviously dont want to scare the clangers away

^ thats tiny clanger having fun times

LoLZ

 

[Jono8]

end of the day...i have my views you have yours, the next guy has his,
until the day comes if it ever does, we will not know. simple as

true, except your views are wrong.

 

[Infam0us]

well they obviously dont want to scare the clangers away

^ thats tiny clanger having fun times

Epic post is epic

 

[DreadNiK]

lol telescopes

 

[Werewolf]

that was released few years ago it tells of the Yanks and Russians race to the moon obviously,thing is the Russians were way way way ahead of the yanks,then all of a sudden the yanks land on the moon,even when the russians were more technologically advanced in rocket design and propulsion and even they said it could not be done because of the Van Allen radiation belt and the inferior technology they had at the time.That is another story though altogether,some people believe the moon landings were faked,there is lots of evidence to suggest so.The space race was a time of the cold war and if the yanks could prove to the world that they had gone to the moon and back then the yanks would be seen as the more technologically advanced,hence put fear into there russian rivals.
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

Slight correction there, it was believed the Russians were much more advanced than the US at space flight in terms of the Moon race based partly on propaganda, partly on intelligence, and partly on the fact that they had managed to get someone into orbit first.

From memory it turned out they hadn't managed to overcome some of the problems that the US Apollo team encountered with regards to things like QC and materials (the Apollo mission from memory resulted in fairly important improvements to things like welding technology and QC for the welds etc).

It was pretty much the same throughout the Cold War, both sides tried to mislead the other in terms of how advanced/how well they were doing with anything that could have a military use* - I remember reading how when at the end of the Cold War when it came to decomissioning ICBM's it turned out that a lot of the Russian ones weren't actually usable because of things like the Silo's not having been built to a good standard, so they leaked or the Missiles weren't maintained in a state that would have allowed them to be used.

The Russians basically didn't have the technological resources/didn't allow the individual teams to work as freely as the US did, and didn't have the same manufacturing standards (needed to be able to make parts of the right standard consistently and on time), which kept putting them back.


*I think it took decades for the Russians to admit to some of the problems they had, and IIRC it's still suspected they had a number of deaths related to the programme that were never admitted (unlike the US where it was far too open to hide the deaths of astronauts in training accidents etc).

 

[Angilion]

[..]
But there are a few middle-men, those who try to debunk claims like these, looking for evidence both for and against. These people I think are the only ones who provided any actual insight into such claims, rather than just opinion.

It's a waste of time doing so, because rational argument cannot work against irrational belief.

I once wasted several hours rationally debunking all the "evidence" that a hoax believer had to "prove" that the moon landings were fake.

If I had spent those hours walking around with my underpants on my head and saying "wibble", it would have been just as effective.

There is no point in rationally debunking ridiculous ideas that are the subject of faith. Faith and reason are alien to each other, so utterly alien that not even a Babelfish would help.

You can't keep up, anyway. It takes far less time to make up some ludicrous babble than it does to painstakingly collect and explain the evidence against it.

 

[MameFX]

Slight correction there, it was believed the Russians were much more advanced than the US at space flight in terms of the Moon race based partly on propaganda, partly on intelligence, and partly on the fact that they had managed to get someone into orbit first.

From memory it turned out they hadn't managed to overcome some of the problems that the US Apollo team encountered with regards to things like QC and materials (the Apollo mission from memory resulted in fairly important improvements to things like welding technology and QC for the welds etc).

It was pretty much the same throughout the Cold War, both sides tried to mislead the other in terms of how advanced/how well they were doing with anything that could have a military use* - I remember reading how when at the end of the Cold War when it came to decomissioning ICBM's it turned out that a lot of the Russian ones weren't actually usable because of things like the Silo's not having been built to a good standard, so they leaked or the Missiles weren't maintained in a state that would have allowed them to be used.

The Russians basically didn't have the technological resources/didn't allow the individual teams to work as freely as the US did, and didn't have the same manufacturing standards (needed to be able to make parts of the right standard consistently and on time), which kept putting them back.


*I think it took decades for the Russians to admit to some of the problems they had, and IIRC it's still suspected they had a number of deaths related to the programme that were never admitted (unlike the US where it was far too open to hide the deaths of astronauts in training accidents etc).

Yeah but while the russians had some one in orbit the yanks couldnt even get a rocket to fly straight for more than 10 seconds before it went of course and exploded.

Von Braun was a hero and known to everyone,wheras his russian rival Sergei Korolev's identity was kept secret until he died,yes the russians did have accidents which killed hundreds of men in explosions which were only announced 20 years after....to anybody who is interested i recommend downloading and watching the space race in 4 parts,its very interesting and is not boring as i thought it might have been.

 

[Infam0us]

*I think it took decades for the Russians to admit to some of the problems they had, and IIRC it's still suspected they had a number of deaths related to the programme that were never admitted (unlike the US where it was far too open to hide the deaths of astronauts in training accidents etc).

Did you know Russia imported a lot of its food from the US during the Cold War, believe it was mostly Grain. Mainly because they couldn't support their population because of the so called "Communism" that they followed which was hardly how Marx had imagined it a few centuries before.

And before anyone in this thread as I'm sure they will questions the source of this information, it was from an Oxford Lecturer in Modern History

 

[Angilion]

[..]
that was released few years ago it tells of the Yanks and Russians race to the moon obviously,thing is the russians were way way way ahead of the yanks,then all of a sudden the yanks land on the moon,

It wasn't sudden - it took a blank cheque budget from the richest country on Earth and 10 years from the start of the project, and that was on the back of 15 years of very well funded rocket development. The Russians weren't way ahead, either. They claimed to be, but of course they would. It was the cold war. Both sides claimed to be the best at everything.

even when the russians were more technologically advanced in rocket design and propulsion

Except that they weren't.

and even they said it could not be done because of the Van Allen radiation belt and the inferior technology they had at the time.

They were clearly wrong. It's not deadly if you're shielded and passing through the weakest parts very quickly, which of course is the case in a mission to the moon.

That is another story though altogether,some people believe the moon landings were faked,

Some people believe in faeries. Some people believe that vampires and werewolves live in secret in the UK today. Some people believe all sorts of things.

there is lots of evidence to suggest so.

No, there isn't.

Open challenge:

Show me your "evidence" and I will explain why it is wrong. In most cases, it's down to simply not understanding the relevant conditions.

For example, the lack of stars in the sky in the photos. No atmosphere on the moon, so the stars should show very clearly. As they would do if you were on the moon. However, if you want to take a photo of a brightly lit person in a bright white suit on a brightly lit surface, you have to use a very small aperture size and a very short exposure time or else the picture will be glared out. With those settings, relatively dim sources of light (like the stars) won't show on the photo. You can try it yourself - get the settings used, set your camera to them and photograph the starry sky. There will be no stars in the photo.

For bonus points, explain how you think NASA faked a vacuum and low mavity in 1969. Bear in mind that the alleged set would have to be big enough to drive the rover around, as that's on video.

 

[Holliday]

true, except your views are wrong.

Heh, because the TV says so amirite?

I'm pretty certain that no one on this forum has actually been to the moon so everyone here is coming to conclusions from that they've been told, not know, but told.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on information given to them. However, I'm much more inclined to respect the opinion of someone who researches and looks for anomolies in such things as space exploration, than someone who just believes what the TV tells him.

It's a waste of time doing so, because rational argument cannot work against irrational belief.

I definitely agree, a lot of the time people get attached to an idea no matter how irrational and how much evidence is provided to debunk it. I personally have felt this, I've only just got into reading in-depth about Space/Astronomy/Aliens/Quantum Physics etc, and the fence is very narrow, people are either totally against any out-the-box idea, or totally in agreement that most of what we told are lies. Reminds me of the religion debate.

For things like the far-side of the moon, no one on this forum can say for a fact they know what's there, because we all get given the same information, some research more in depth, some search for hidden meanings, others take the information for the ultimate truth.

If anything I just think it's interesting to read about, and the more you read about it, especially UFO's and Aliens the more 'evidence' there seems to be, like the video I posted earlier, I can't quite see what the Ex-Canadian Defence Minister had to gain from such claims, but when such people do make these kind of claims, there has to be some truth to it.

But then again a lot of people won't ever see that video unless it's aired on mainstream television. Even if it is, I'm sure some people won't even care.

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true" - Carl Sagan

 

[Glaucus]

No one other than ct crackpots have ever said the radaition belt is a problem. The Guy who discovered it said that it is fine to fly through. they also sent ships through to measure it. They recieved just 1% of a fatal dose.
Really stop saying rubbish and do some Reading.

 

[Eliot]

Seriously gus come on the moon... I'm sorry but it's a moon
a moons job is to orbit a planet and our particular moons job is to take millions and millins of years of asteroids hence the huge craters
futhermore it is dusty has no atmosphere and no life what so ever
life needs energy of some form and there is simply nothing on the moon that would even indicate the possibility of life
don't forget how cold is also I highly doubt a living thing would be frozen
if we want to find life our only hope in our dolor system is that moon of Jupiter that is a block of ice with ice volcanos
that's only because maybe JUST maybe it's warm ish the middle although let's be honest if there is life which I don't doubt it is very far away on a planet like ours and maybe either like ours with advanced life or like a prehistoric earth
futhermore there could be more advanced beings than us however they haven't been here yet as what reason would they have to visit us I it wasn't because they needed a new planet after drying there's up

 

[Jono8]

Heh, because the TV says so amirite?

I'm pretty certain that no one on this forum has actually been to the moon so everyone here is coming to conclusions from that they've been told, not know, but told.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on information given to them. However, I'm much more inclined to respect the opinion of someone who researches and looks for anomolies in such things as space exploration, than someone who just believes what the TV tells him.



I definitely agree, a lot of the time people get attached to an idea no matter how irrational and how much evidence is provided to debunk it. I personally have felt this, I've only just got into reading in-depth about Space/Astronomy/Aliens/Quantum Physics etc, and the fence is very narrow, people are either totally against any out-the-box idea, or totally in agreement that most of what we told are lies. Reminds me of the religion debate.

For things like the far-side of the moon, no one on this forum can say for a fact they know what's there, because we all get given the same information, some research more in depth, some search for hidden meanings, others take the information for the ultimate truth.

If anything I just think it's interesting to read about, and the more you read about it, especially UFO's and Aliens the more 'evidence' there seems to be, like the video I posted earlier, I can't quite see what the Ex-Canadian Defence Minister had to gain from such claims, but when such people do make these kind of claims, there has to be some truth to it.

But then again a lot of people won't ever see that video unless it's aired on mainstream television. Even if it is, I'm sure some people won't even care.

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true" - Carl Sagan

Or people are just overly paranoid that the big scary government and corporations are all lying to us and have secret deals with aliens. The governments of this world are made up of PEOPLE like you and me who probably have families, lifes outside work e.t.c. Some people seem to make them all out to be evil overlords who hate their people.

 

[MameFX]

It wasn't sudden - it took a blank cheque budget from the richest country on Earth and 10 years from the start of the project, and that was on the back of 15 years of very well funded rocket development. The Russians weren't way ahead, either. They claimed to be, but of course they would. It was the cold war. Both sides claimed to be the best at everything.



Except that they weren't.



They were clearly wrong. It's not deadly if you're shielded and passing through the weakest parts very quickly, which of course is the case in a mission to the moon.



Some people believe in faeries. Some people believe that vampires and werewolves live in secret in the UK today. Some people believe all sorts of things.



No, there isn't.

Open challenge:

Show me your "evidence" and I will explain why it is wrong. In most cases, it's down to simply not understanding the relevant conditions.

For example, the lack of stars in the sky in the photos. No atmosphere on the moon, so the stars should show very clearly. As they would do if you were on the moon. However, if you want to take a photo of a brightly lit person in a bright white suit on a brightly lit surface, you have to use a very small aperture size and a very short exposure time or else the picture will be glared out. With those settings, relatively dim sources of light (like the stars) won't show on the photo. You can try it yourself - get the settings used, set your camera to them and photograph the starry sky. There will be no stars in the photo.

For bonus points, explain how you think NASA faked a vacuum and low mavity in 1969. Bear in mind that the alleged set would have to be big enough to drive the rover around, as that's on video.

Faking a vacuum,why is the flag blowing around then if there is a vacuum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CpNoI4WGc&feature=related
1m 50 secs in