best ssd under 200 pounds?

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i have 200 pounds to spend on an ssd
space does not matter since i have ample room left in my external hard drives

ideally this thread would have only one single reply, containing a link to the ocuk product page of the best sub-200 pound ssd out there

is it likely to be the 50GB vertex 2 at 170 pounds?
 
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Intel X25-M 80GB is a good choice. I've had mine for a few days now and its been great. Load times are way down and boot times into a fully functional desktop are around 30 seconds (including selecting OS from boot manager and typing in my long ass password)
 
Sorry to sound stupid - seems this is one of the oldest SSDs on the market, why is it still the best?
 
Sorry to sound stupid - seems this is one of the oldest SSDs on the market, why is it still the best?

I don't understand why people keep rating the Intel X25 -
- Read: Up to 250MB/sec
- Write: Up to 70MB/sec

When you can get something like the OCZ Vertex
- Maximum Read: 270MB/sec
- Maximum Write: 250MB/sec
- Sustained Write: 235MB/sec

I've got the Kinston 64 gig which is also way faster than the Intel.
 
dmpoole, the VAST majority of computer usage is simply not sequential, nor all highly compressible data. Atto is generally the benchmark of choice when it comes to rating SSD's and normal drives and gives absolute and without question BEST CASE SCENARIO numbers. If any of the drives, even the best ones start selling based on worse case scenario numbers, unless mechnical drives followed suit no one would buy them.

THe problem being, the cheap kingston drive based on the Intel drive is actually a massive amount faster than the performance Kingston which is based on the samsung controller, in WORST case scenario, which comes up far more frequently than best case.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2944/10 that pretty much sums it up.

In random writes, the "cheap" Kingston is absolutely blowing the performance kingston drive away. The thing is, its when you, for instance are transfering one big file in the background then open a video file and then click to open firefox. A conventional harddrive, at that point, cowers in the corner and causes your system to become incredibly unresponsive. The early SSD's were decent but in those situations also because fairly unresponsive, though their sequential and larger random file usage was superb, it was the small file and multitasking that caused them a problem.

The decent SSD's, I can open 58 different programs and they'd open incredibly quickly, literally minutes faster than they would on a crap ssd(old jmicron ones) or a mechanical hdd.

The problem with all benchmarking and ALL reviews are inconsistant ability to show real world performance and thats just making it even more confusing.

The reality is no one uses hard drives the same, if you have the performance samsung and only use it to transfer large files, then it will outperform the Intel based one, if you play games and multitask a lot, then it will likely be quite a lot slower than the Intel based on regardless of the optimum numbers shown.

If you notice from those reviews, while the Sandforce drives, properly aligned are hugely impressive, random reads are STILL beaten by the Intel drive, and a lot of people won't always been installing and writing stuff, but gaming for instance is some 80% reads, spread between sequential and random. The Intel is still on par to the Sandforce in those situations, the reason its still a wanted drive is it now costs around £170 for a 50GB Sandforce drive, OR a very small amount extra for an 80GB Intel. Its a tad slower in area's, but its 30GB bigger for a very similar cost.

New versions of the Sandforce drives are coming with higher capacity enabled, if current Sandforce drives can be upgraded with firmware is, questionable, its likely, OCZ and co are working on it, but its not certain.

A sandforce with 60gb and being faster than Intel is much better and cheaper per GB than it at 50GB.


If you go back again and look at the worst case scenario for your Kingston drive, in random writes its at 4.4MB, my current raid 0 diamondmax 9's(these are REALLY old) are getting 3MB random 4kb writes, though in the test they are running it would probably get 1.5-2mb's. When you run the drive properly aligned, in random writes your drive is at 5.3MB, the Indilinx drive is at 11mb's, so twice as fast, the Intel drive is at 46mb's, so 9 times as fast, and the new sandforces are like 30 times faster.

As I hinted at earlier, the other problem is benchmarking, if you check the OCZ forums you'll find people who all find that performance as new, and performance 2 weeks later aren't close to the same, still superb, but different.

This other problem is ALL the drives, every single last one drops in performance to some degree after several weeks usage, the biggest problem is, they all drop performance differently to different levels. The Intel maintains its performance fantastically well, jmicron's would suck badly(to start with) and not drop much performance. INdilinx ones drop a lot of performance but gain most of it back with Trim, Sandforce drives don't seem to be getting a lot back with trim, OR Trim commands aren't being passed to the drives properly, its too early to know for sure.

If you use raid, trim won't work in most situations(I believe Intel finally got trim commands to pass through ITS raid controllers but no one elses), raid, several AHCI drivers, they do seem to be rushing drives out without making certain of certain things. But they've also got AMD, Intel, Jmicron, Marvell, highpoint, adaptec and several others, they need to all have working drivers and they need MS to update the OS to support the new drivers and get trim working, it won't happen quickly/perfectly.


TO the OP, a Sandforce or Crucial C300 is the fastest drive you can get at the moment, but both are quite a bit more expensive per GB than the Intel. For under £200 you can get a 50GB sandforce that you MIGHT be able to upgrade to around 58GB in the future, a 60GB Crucial(formatted it will be around 60GB) or a 80GB Intel.

Yet another problem occurs, in benchmarks the Sandforce/Crucial are faster overall than the Intel, at home, playing games and surfing the net, can you tell and if not isn't the bigger capacity better? Thats really for individuals to decide.

Certainly you want, right now, to get a Crucial C300, a Sandforce or Intel based drives, Samsung, jmicron and Indilinx at the moment don't come close to the same performance yet are priced similarly so aren't at all good value for money.

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I guess the way to think about it is like graphics cards, would you prefer a card that does 100fps, but has minimum framerates of 5fps and that happens quite often, or a card that can only do 60fps max, but never drops below 55fps. The second is the far better card and will give you far better overall performance.

Think about random 4kb writes/reads as the "minimum FPS" of hard drives, essentially going for the drive that can do the best 4kb reads and writes will get you the best performance. This is where Intel does so well, its random writes are only beaten by the two newest drives, the random reads are only beaten by the Crucial drive and not the Sandforce ones and they aren't hugely slower than the Crucial yet are decent amount bigger for a very similar cost. 90% of people wouldn't feel any real difference in use between them, but 16gb's goes quite a long way.
 
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Sorry to go OT - I see the Intel drives were TRIM enabled in a firmware update, will the new ones ship with this enabled or need to be updated?

Thanks
 
ive recently upgraded from a patriot 32gb ps-100 drive to a intel 80gb and the difference is much mre noticable, the intel ****'s all over the patriot drive
 
I don't understand why people keep rating the Intel X25 -
- Read: Up to 250MB/sec
- Write: Up to 70MB/sec

When you can get something like the OCZ Vertex
- Maximum Read: 270MB/sec
- Maximum Write: 250MB/sec
- Sustained Write: 235MB/sec

I've got the Kinston 64 gig which is also way faster than the Intel.

With the newer firmware the X25 is writing at 100MB/sec+ (depending on 80/160GB, the 160 being quicker).

DrunkenMaster: Awesome writeup :)
 
^^ As stated above OS speed is mostly effective by random read/write speed. Unless you move around large files often, i doubt you will notice the differences in sustained read/write.
 
Why is write speed important? If I got an SSD I would use it for OS and a few games and large files would rarely be written. Just puzzles me, I would rather get higher read/reliability than write speed.
 
Why is write speed important? If I got an SSD I would use it for OS and a few games and large files would rarely be written. Just puzzles me, I would rather get higher read/reliability than write speed.

Thats basically it, most normal users, which I'll say are net surfers and gamers, will other than installing a game(limited to dvd read speed more than anything else to be honest), mostly be reading, games are mostly reads, os load is mostly reads, pagefile is some 80-90% reads once its writen.

Writes are important, to a degree, just not that much.

The thing is, when we got the first ssd's, the lack of write speed was apparent and so was the lack of speed in random work, which is where mechanical drives fall down and the system becomes unresponsive while it tries to do 2-3 things.

THe problem is when drives started to fix those problems, and finally with the Indilinx appeared to(when the Intel was still pretty damn expensive) the noticeable improvement was in write speeds. So it "seems" like the increase in write speed on the indilinx was responsible for the fixed performance, but it was really how it handled the writes and reads that fixed it, not the actual speed of them itself.

Its like a car, you get a Ferrari that has a top speed of 300mph, but if 99% of your life is spent in traffic jams, the drive that handles 0-60mph, constantly changing, will probably end up the better drive. The intel can't do 250mb/s writes, but 99% of what you do is under 50mb/s in writes, and it handles them FAR better than almost all drives.

I've got my Crucial finally, and its god damned awesome.

Only the 128gb model, which is supposed to be slower, I was getting up to 230mb's on the RANDOM 4kb deep threaded type tests, it seems to gel with AMD's SB850 like a dream.

The sequential writes aren't fantastic compared to a NEW Vertex 2, but a used Vertex 2 and it beats it across the board in everything, seriously good drive. Though I'm changing the system from AHCI to Raid(which has AHCI anyway) for a couple normal drives in raid for more game space. Also want to try the raid driver as its newer than the AHCI one. Really just testing it in several modes.


The Crucial C300 really is the first drive to beat the Intel across the board, even the Vertex 2's can't beat random 4kb reads on Intel, the Crucial however can, and I've got the "slower" smaller C300. The 256gb does have slightly higher reads/writes across the board but the only truly massive difference is sequential write, the least important one. If it came in a 64gb model it would have been even better, I could have raided 2 for the same price/better performance, or just saved money.
 
For example?

I'm no expert but I'm just looking at specs so why people keep raving about the Intel is beyond me -

Intel X25-V Value 40GB
- Read: Up to 170MB/sec
- Write: Up to 35MB/sec

Patriot PS-100 64GB
- Read: Up to 210MB/sec
- Write: Up to 150MB/sec

Crucial M225 64GB 2.5"
- Read: Up to 200MB/sec
- Write: Up to 150MB/sec

OCZ Vertex 60GB 2.5"
- Read: Up to 230MB/sec
- Write: Up to 135MB/sec
 
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