FS, Nazis want some extra stealth tax from me :(

-BA- · 27 May 2010 at 11:56

JBuk said:
heh @ all the holier than thou posts

Bet you aren't saying that when the thousands of tourists tramp around your beloved county turning it into a nice trash heap.

AMG · 27 May 2010 at 12:09

was this guy that put the sticker on your car in authority to do so? other wise he is not allowed

Burned_Alive · 27 May 2010 at 12:10

Burnsy2023 said:
For littering to be complete, you need to prove a person:

threw down/droppped/disposited litter

in a place open to the air in an area of a 'principal litter authoriy' (council controlled) or public place

and left it there

If you can prove that then the offence is complete.

Wouldn't that require the person to attempt to leave the area as well then?

What can a PCSO actually do? Can they restrain someone? Are you required to give details to them?

rypt · 27 May 2010 at 12:17

AMG said:
was this guy that put the sticker on your car in authority to do so? other wise he is not allowed

No-one has the authority to do so, from speaking to one of the people who lives there (I think I mentioned this already in this thread) it just some local nutter who does it now and then.

And due to the sticker being a pain to remove ... it is technically criminal damage, not that the police cared when I tried to point that out while they were giving me an FPN.
I mean, why would they investigate a REAL crime when they can just earn some extra tax for the council
+

Burned_Alive said:
What can a PCSO actually do? Can they restrain someone? Are you required to give details to them?

They can restrain you for 30 minutes if you refuse to give them details afaik, but you do have the right to request for a proper officer to take your details afaik

Cookeh · 27 May 2010 at 12:36

Nimzicki said:
Meh, you deliberately threw it on the ground and then once the PCSO left you threw a little paddy, acted like a child and dumped more crap on the ground. Nice one.

AMG · 27 May 2010 at 12:36

they should have dealt with him, than you

littering is still a crime, but than so is criminal damage

Burnsy2023 · 27 May 2010 at 15:06

Burned_Alive said:
Wouldn't that require the person to attempt to leave the area as well then?

I don't think so, you can leave something for an extended period of time without leaving the area.

Burned_Alive said:
What can a PCSO actually do? Can they restrain someone? Are you required to give details to them?

Yes they can use force to detain people in certain circumstances. They can also request your name and address for certain offences such as anti-social behaviour. Failure to give them is an offence in itself.

rypt said:
I mean, why would they investigate a REAL crime when they can just earn some extra tax for the council

I love this argument, it's amazing how often it crops up. They are investigating a real crime. They also can't investigate anything else while they're dealing with you, so for everyone's sake, just let them get on with their job.

rypt said:
They can restrain you for 30 minutes if you refuse to give them details afaik, but you do have the right to request for a proper officer to take your details afaik

Right on the first bit, wrong on the second. Like I said above it is an offence not to give a PCSO your details for certain offences. Issuing an FPN is one of these offences.

Gackt · 27 May 2010 at 16:01

rypt said:
I came here to rant about getting a fine, not do have to explain what happened as if I'm in front of the judge, jury and executioner

If you're going to broadcast your moronic behaviour, then expect the appropriate response and don't complain when you recieve it.

Dolph · 27 May 2010 at 16:04

I find it amusing that someone who parks without permission on someone else's land and then carelessly discards the resulting complaint then expects sympathy... I think it's a sign of many of the things wrong with society, a lack of acceptance of the responsibilities for the consequences of actions...

rypt · 27 May 2010 at 16:07

Dolph said:
I find it amusing that someone who parks without permission on someone else's land and then carelessly discards the resulting complaint then expects sympathy... I think it's a sign of many of the things wrong with society, a lack of acceptance of the responsibilities for the consequences of actions...

The land is owned by the developer, and is in effect an urban road due to not having a gate thus allowing free public access.
Last I checked you could legally park on an urban road.
And lastly whoever stuck stuff to the car technically committed criminal damage due to the difficulty of removing it, plus only the developer or someone authorised by them has the right to do anything ... and from speaking to someone it seems it is just a local nutter

Dolph · 27 May 2010 at 16:11

rypt said:
The land is owned by the developer, and is in effect an urban road due to not having a gate thus allowing free public access.
Last I checked you could legally park on an urban road.

Is the road adopted? (The signage would suggest not). If it isn't, you don't have a right to park there unless given permission by the owners.

And lastly whoever stuck stuff to the car technically committed criminal damage due to the difficulty of removing it, plus only the developer or someone authorised by them has the right to do anything ... and from speaking to someone it seems it is just a local nutter

If you are better than them, behave better than them. Don't behave irresponsibly and expect taxpayers to pick up after you.

matt_fsr · 27 May 2010 at 16:12

rypt · 27 May 2010 at 16:16

Dolph said:
Is the road adopted? (The signage would suggest not). If it isn't, you don't have a right to park there unless given permission by the owners.

Being adopted by the council has no implication, anything that has free access to vehicles falls under the definition of an urban road under one of the road traffic acts.

Dolph · 27 May 2010 at 16:25

rypt said:
Being adopted by the council has no implication, anything that has free access to vehicles falls under the definition of an urban road under one of the road traffic acts.

You appear to be confused, the RTA 1984 (which is the one that defines what qualifies as a road) does not give you a right to park on the roads, it sets out the circumstances where, from the state's point of view, you cannot park at the side of the road, and what the consequences will be.

Nothing in the RTA 1984 prevents owners of private roads from putting additional regulations in place and enforcing them through legal methods.

You have no 'right' to park on an unadopted road, especially when the owner of the road has specifically signed to the contrary.

Burnsy2023 · 27 May 2010 at 16:27

rypt said:
Being adopted by the council has no implication, anything that has free access to vehicles falls under the definition of an urban road under one of the road traffic acts.

That doesn't mean you have a right to park there though.

Sp00n · 27 May 2010 at 16:27

That'll learn ya

rypt · 27 May 2010 at 16:28

Burnsy2023 said:
That doesn't mean you have a right to park there though.

If it is an urban road, than in the absence of other legal signage you can surely park there

Burnsy2023 · 27 May 2010 at 16:32

rypt said:
If it is an urban road, than in the absence of other legal signage you can surely park there

Another unfounded assumption. You're good at his aren't you?

rypt · 27 May 2010 at 16:34

Burnsy2023 said:
Another unfounded assumption. You're good at his aren't you?

How is it an assumption, what describes an urban road then?

Bluraybunny · 27 May 2010 at 16:35

£55 !?......Bring back hanging I say !!