Better to have new tyres at the front or at the back?

[Scania]

Because an S600 does not have the massive lock Bentley and Rolls Royce have, they scrub front tyres off horribly.

This is a fact, my business partner has a Continental GT and HR Owen explained that as being the major killer for his front tyres.

When weight comes into tyre scrub & wear, I still find the rear drive axle tyres wear much quicker than the front, even though drive axle tyres are usually re-inforced and fronts not.

An artic has a huge lock and masses of scrub, the rears still get the pounding though.

 

[Joshy]

This is a fact, my business partner has a Continental GT and HR Owen explained that as being the major killer for his front tyres.

Off Topic, but does he actually have work done on his car at H.R Owen (In North Action)? I've heard that they very rarely do Bentley work and instead direct them over to us (Jack Barclay).

 

[DM]

Normally at School road Acton, but he has been to you in Nine elms (when his de-misters and windows packed in)

 

[matkeys]

seriously guys, its a pair of fcking tyres not discussing the end of the world.

who gives a flying poo after 4 pages,

once again this forum shows to the world how old most of you are ( 5 by the way if you was wondering)


ok every ones fully entitled to there opinion and im the first one to preach that, but 4 pages of arguments over back or front. i thought this thread was over half way down page 3 were nearly on page 5!

 

[DRZ]

seriously guys, its a pair of fcking tyres not discussing the end of the world.

who gives a flying poo after 4 pages,

once again this forum shows to the world how old most of you are ( 5 by the way if you was wondering)


ok every ones fully entitled to there opinion and im the first one to preach that, but 4 pages of arguments over back or front. i thought this thread was over half way down page 3 were nearly on page 5!

You need to up your post per page setting...

 

[[TW]Fox]

It seems that the Bentley Arnage actually has a 52/48 weight distribution. Therefore there is almost as much weight over the back, DRIVEN wheels, as there is over the front, and it's dumping 400bhp-500bhp through those driven rear wheels.

I don't see how a large amount of steering lock for low speed manevouring is going to trump 48% of the 2600kg bulk being over the driven wheels when it comes to tyre wear?

How can it possibly wear its front tyres quicker given this technical setup? You'd need to spend all day doing u-turns on full lock for it to do that!?

I'm quite happy to see something credible and technical rather than hearsay to explain why I'm wrong - but thats what it'll take because to claim otherwise is going against every technical principle I can think of when it comes to this sort of thing.

 

[Gaijin]

It seems that the Bentley Arnage actually has a 51/48 weight distribution.

Where did the other 1 go?

 

[[TW]Fox]

It's late, it was hiding

 

[DM]

It seems that the Bentley Arnage actually has a 51/48 weight distribution. Therefore there is almost as much weight over the back, DRIVEN wheels, as there is over the front, and it's dumping 400bhp-500bhp through those driven rear wheels.

I don't see how a large amount of steering lock for low speed manevouring is going to trump 48% of the 2600kg bulk being over the driven wheels when it comes to tyre wear?

How can it possibly wear its front tyres quicker given this technical setup? You'd need to spend all day doing u-turns on full lock for it to do that!?

I dont know about an Arnage, but in the 3 Bentleys i have come into close contact with, a turbo R and 2 Continental GT's, the fronts did go first, by a good margin.

And steering lock was apparently a major contributing factor, if you look at a Continental on full lock it looks like the tyre is being ripped off, you can see the pressure its under.

You might just have to accept that this is the case in this instance

 

[[TW]Fox]

It just isn't me to simply accept something is the case, I want to know why its the case I'm sure you can appreciate why - it just makes no sense I can't rationalise the high power RWD car not wearing its rear tyres before its fronts thing. The AWD ones are a totally different kettle of fish because for all we know they might have a 50/50 power distribution or even a front biased power distribution in which case its perfectly logical you'd see front wear before rear wear, but.. whatever the outcome it still remains the case that the blanket statement that 'on average, driven wheels have no bearing on tyre wear' was a comedy gold moment

Driven wheels are pretty much the MAJOR factor in tyre wear. FWD cars will wear fronts first, RWD cars will wear rear tyres first, and tyre wear on AWD cars will depend on the specific setup of that AWD system. Obviously there are other factors involved such as allignment, steering lock, weight, etc etc but IMHO none of them are as influencing as the simple which wheels are putting the power onto the tarmac thing.

S Class Mercs have similar comedy amounts of steering lock from the ones I've seen parked up on full lock, at least.

 

[Django x2]

To be fair, there should be little difference in my car to a RR or any other other car that is front engined / RWD. Unless RR / Bentley are doing something massively wrong, their cars should be wearing the rears out quicker than the fronts.

What was the Bentley Continental GT, was that RWD? If so, I'll pop and ask my neighbour who used to own one what his tyre wear was like (although he generally thought the car was poor anyway.....)

 

[[TW]Fox]

Conti GT is AWD.

 

[Fossil]

On mine (FWD) I put the new tyres on the front. When it comes to changing the rear tyres in the future, I will move the old front tyres to the back and put new tyres in the front. In my case, I prefer the tyres with the most tread to be on the drive wheels and where most braking occurs (the front).

Oversteer/understeer? Is that more of a concern to people who drive to or past the limit?

 

[[TW]Fox]

On mine (FWD) I put the new tyres on the front. When it comes to changing the rear tyres in the future, I will move the old front tyres to the back and put new tyres in the front. In my case, I prefer the tyres with the most tread to be on the drive wheels and where most braking occurs (the front).

Oversteer/understeer? Is that more of a concern to people who drive to or past the limit?

It's the sort of thing you may never experience until you find yourself in an emergency situation. Perhaps you hit a patch of unexpected standing water as you round a bend at just 40mph. You don't need to be driving like a prune for that.

 

[matkeys]

You need to up your post per page setting...

whats that got to do with any thing!!

 

[[TW]Fox]

whats that got to do with any thing!!

Slightly more than your post, at least. Which was probably the most useless in the whole thread. It isnt 4 pages about whether to fit the tyres at the back or front at all - it migrated to a discussion about whether the driven wheels of a car are a primary effect on tyre wear or not. Last time I checked, tyre wear was not something you find your average 5 year old discussing. They are busy learning.. basic English I guess. Although maybe aged 5 you DID spend your time discussing tyre wear instead

If you can't even be bothered to read a thread, what makes you think commenting on it is going to either be a) appropriate or b) accurate?

 

[DM]

I honestly cant tell you why, iv even just rang me partner, he's on his second Continental he had an 04 and now a 55 plate, they both did / do exactly the same thing.

HR Owen told him basically its just the way it goes and blamed the lock on the cars as a major factor.

 

[matkeys]

Slightly more than your post, at least. Which was probably the most useless in the whole thread. It isnt 4 pages about whether to fit the tyres at the back or front at all - it migrated to a discussion about whether the driven wheels of a car are a primary effect on tyre wear or not. Last time I checked, tyre wear was not something you find your average 5 year old discussing. They are busy learning.. basic English I guess. Although maybe aged 5 you DID spend your time discussing tyre wear instead

If you can't even be bothered to read a thread, what makes you think commenting on it is going to either be a) appropriate or b) accurate?

very true, i did read most of it then replied!!

 

[[TW]Fox]

I honestly cant tell you why, iv even just rang me partner, he's on his second Continental he had an 04 and now a 55 plate, they both did / do exactly the same thing.

HR Owen told him basically its just the way it goes and blamed the lock on the cars as a major factor.

The Conti is AWD though not RWD so is a bit of a red herring in this discussion. Having just checked, power is 50/50 front and rear by default - so obviously it is entirely logical and reasonable to find that the fronts may wear quicker than the rears.

The same cannot be said for the companies RWD models, mind!

 

[DM]

The Conti is AWD though not RWD so is a bit of a red herring in this discussion. Having just checked, power is 50/50 front and rear by default - so obviously it is entirely logical and reasonable to find that the fronts may wear quicker than the rears.

The same cannot be said for the companies RWD models, mind!

Just to give us another few posts worth of banter, years ago when he had a Turbo R that used to eat fronts too as far as i can remember.

But at my age with a few large scotches on board the memory fades so i could be wrong