Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

Stolly · 31 May 2010 at 20:03

sr4470 said:
"A millimeter wave scanner is a whole body imaging device ..

Clothing and other organic materials are translucent in some extremely high frequency (millimeter wave) radio frequency bands. This frequency range is just below the (related) sub-millimeter "Terahertz radiation" (or "T-ray") range."

Seriously now. What ?

You just pasted that from Wikipedia. The thing you are talking about is one of these

So in summary your argument is that because they didn't come down the ropes carrying (or perhaps inside?) one of these babies that they were obviously just out to shoot protesters.

Well, that's convinced me.

muffins · 31 May 2010 at 20:04

DreadNiK said:
tell you what, watch this:

now tell me they overreacted

slambo69 said:
Heres a video of a peace protester stabbing one of the IDF commandos -

Proof that they were hell bent on martyrdom. Not peace.

Most of the comments here are just BNP racist hate mongering.

eatcustard said:
A country made out of convicts
you should be ashamed of yourself

Yeah convicts made mostly of Irish and Scottish. Sent by the Pomms for crimes amounting to nothing more than stealing bread.

You must be proud of your heritage. :rolleyes:

meghatronic · 31 May 2010 at 20:04

The Funktopus said:
The Turkish armed forces are the among the largest in the world, with a standing Army of around 600,000 men. They're generally considered well trained, disciplined and equipped. Israel would be extremely foolish, if not stupid to risk a head on confrontation with such a force. And if they're even stupider to attack Turkey itself, then they risk the Turkish government requesting NATO help, as is their right as full NATO members.

Turkey would get their **** handed to them on a plate. However, there is no way it would come to a full on conflict, NATO (i.e. the US) would lean heavily on Israel and NATO would lean on it's member (Turkey).

Indy500 · 31 May 2010 at 20:06

Stolly said:
Seriously now. What ?

You just pasted that from Wikipedia. The thing you are talking about is one of these

So in summary your argument is that because they didn't come down the ropes carrying (or perhaps inside?) one of these babies that they were obviously just out to shoot protesters.

Millimetre wave technology isn't exclusive to those particular scanners. It was simply a definition of "radio frequency" to clarify what technology I was referring to.

MW was used to find targets long before these airport scanners were installed. Example being Apache attack helicopters.

meghatronic · 31 May 2010 at 20:06

muffins said:
Yeah convicts made mostly of Irish and Scottish. Sent by the Pomms for crimes amounting to nothing more than stealing bread.

You must be proud of your heritage.

[citation needed].

sanaxe1 · 31 May 2010 at 20:08

meghatronic said:
Turkey would get their **** handed to them on a plate. However, there is no way it would come to a full on conflict, NATO (i.e. the US) would lean heavily on Israel and NATO would lean on it's member (Turkey).

Why would they? They have a larger Navy , a Larger Airforce with the same planes as Israel and a larger well equipped army..

The Funktopus · 31 May 2010 at 20:11

meghatronic said:
Turkey would get their **** handed to them on a plate..

Respectfully, it's just not that clear cut IMHO. But that's another debate for another time.

meghatronic · 31 May 2010 at 20:12

The Funktopus said:
Respectfully, it's just not that clear cut IMHO. But that's another debate for another time.

I suppose so. But which country has nukes.

Stolly · 31 May 2010 at 20:13

muffins said:
Yeah convicts made mostly of Irish and Scottish. Sent by the Pomms for crimes amounting to nothing more than stealing bread.

You must be proud of your heritage.

Coincidentally I was recently reviewing the records of York Prison and the people being transported from there committed all sorts of crimes including various theft, forgery, fraud, poaching etc etc. They were presumably English in the main as well.

All crimes that remain illegal today, and presumably are in Australia too.

More to the point what on earth has this to do with this thread, and what on earth is someone who apparently has such distaste for a country doing on a forum based in that country and used mainly by people from that country.

Has the Australian government shut down all internet sites Australia ?

sanaxe1 · 31 May 2010 at 20:14

meghatronic said:
I suppose so. But which country has nukes.

Turkey does.

Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands.[8] A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force in case of a nuclear conflict, but their use requires the approval of NATO.[9]

Stolly · 31 May 2010 at 20:15

sr4470 said:
Millimetre wave technology isn't exclusive to those particular scanners. It was simply a definition of "radio frequency" to clarify what technology I was referring to.

MW was used to find targets long before these airport scanners were installed. Example being Apache attack helicopters.

So another application that too big to be carried. Want to keep trying ?

meghatronic · 31 May 2010 at 20:16

sanaxe1 said:
Turkey does.

They're not Turkish though.

I'll highlight for you:

40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force in case of a nuclear conflict, but their use requires the approval of NATO.

Rroff · 31 May 2010 at 20:17

sanaxe1 said:
Why would they? They have a larger Navy , a Larger Airforce with the same planes as Israel and a larger well equipped army..

Because the Israelis have the bigger conviction... by the time the Turkish are as ready to commit they will already be rolled.

ordinaryjoe · 31 May 2010 at 20:18

sr4470 said:
Can I also have some evidence that any of the commandos were killed?

sr4470 said:
As for the commandos, I simply asked for proof that any were shot or killed. Any other inference is your own.

You asked for evidence that any commandos were killed. No one claimed that they were killed... so you were asking us to prove something no one claimed ever happened

JBuk · 31 May 2010 at 20:18

Oh no, here we go with all the internet miltary experts

sanaxe1 · 31 May 2010 at 20:19

meghatronic said:
They're not Turkish though.

I'll highlight for you:

You said.. But who has nukes. As to say that would decide the outcome of the war. Now are you telling me that if Israel was to Launch a nuclear attack on a NATO member then the other members would say that Turkey could not use any of the 40 Nuclear bombs allocated to be used by turkey for such an event.

meghatronic · 31 May 2010 at 20:20

sanaxe1 said:
You said.. But who has nukes. As to say that would decide the outcome of the war. Now are you telling me that if Israel was to Launch a nuclear attack on a NATO member then the other members would say that Turkey could not use any of the 40 Nuclear bombs allocated to be used by turkey for such an event.

Well Israel won't use nuclear weapons, but the threat would (should?) be more than enough to shut Turkey up.
Israel doesn't need approval for anything. KABOOOM if need be.

I'm not expert, but seems logical.

Rroff · 31 May 2010 at 20:20

sanaxe1 said:
You said.. But who has nukes. As to say that would decide the outcome of the war. Now are you telling me that if Israel was to Launch a nuclear attack on a NATO member then the other members would say that Turkey could not use any of the 40 Nuclear bombs allocated to be used by turkey for such an event.

By the time they had NATO approval... it would be a bit too late.

muffins · 31 May 2010 at 20:21

World War III over the Palestinians, that not even the Arabs want.

p0rks0da · 31 May 2010 at 20:22

The idea of Israel and Turkey engaging in all out war is ridiculous.