20th Century fox vs Newzbin

Don't you think the problem is not advertising blah blah blah, the problem is that model is becoming obsolete, and instead of moving to pay per play/direct download they are just fighting the change once again.
 
tntcoder said:
I suppose you could argue that, but it's pretty weak. Does chopping something illegal into small pieces make it legal? The encoding/decoding is comparable to putting something in a ZIP file and extracting it again.
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They aren't chopping something illegal into pieces though. They are legal text files as you helped me establish above. Imagine me saying supermarkets are illegal because they sell knives and knives kill people.
 
ChrisJSY said:
Why is that so hard to believe?
You must be easy to influence into buying things if you can't believe that.

You wouldn't believe how long I haven't actually watched television for either, but I'm not the only person in my household so cable/tv license is still paid.
Actually I can't remember the last time I watched TV it's been that long.
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Because according to your profile your 25 years old. I just fail to see that in all those years, you haven't been influenced to buy something you saw on TV. Even if it's just subconsciously something you saw next time you were in the supermarket.
 
RIP Newzbin :(

They've served me well for the past 6-7 years and I will miss them.

However this sounds promising. My guess is, if true, we'll soon see a Newzbin clone appearing in Russia where they can't get shut down.

Does it mean the end of the service for users? Maybe not. While I can’t see how Newzbin can dig themselves out of this hole or carry on, there have been odd developments. Users have been pressing Newzbin to Opensource the site code but they’ve refused. However the rumour is that someone hacked their servers and grabbed the code and several databases. I PM’d a Newzbin guy and he denied knowing anything about this but the rumours are strong. Added to which Newzbin have been hacked before: about 5 years ago a database of their Paypal transactions ended up on Usenet! (Oh the irony) And another Usenet indexer also turned up running, ahem, similar looking code.

If that is right I’m guessing a clone site will spring up soon, or maybe
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newzbin 2????




"Hi ex-Newzbin user.

Lamenting the departed site? Dreading doing Usenet the old skool
way? Think the clone NZB sites suck?

Good news: we are Newzbin Two, and we have glad tidings:
NEWZBIN IS BACK! and we are the new management. The crew got most
of the original Newzbin source code and the main databases.
We loved it too much to let it die.

The catch? We wont be up for a very short while cos things need
to be done. For starters we need a cool domain name; also we
need to hack on the code some more to make it run. We are nearly
there but it is very complicated. We reckon we'll up very soon.

So don't drift off to those lame-ass wannabe NZB sites. Hang on
for a little longer and the Big Dog will be back.
For news keep an eye on these news sites:


Mr White
Team R Dogs/Newzbin2"
 
Johnnytoxic said:
Maybe in the year 2000, I'd rather be able to search back 300days.

I doubt many topsite ftp's would be able to service bandwidth for a full 50mb connection.
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Imagine every single album/movie/software ever released by the scene over the past 10 years, all neatly organized in one place, searchable via irc, TLS encrypted, on a 10-GigE link with local GigE BNCs in every euro country. And if by miracle what you need isn't on there, you can get a request filled within 10 minutes.
 
Just found this article.

Last week a group calling themselves Team R Dogs contacted ex-members of Newzbin with a message claiming that they would soon bring back the site.

That news was quickly followed by the revelation from an ex-director of Newzbin that the site’s domain names had been sold to a Seychelles-based company in order to clear debts. A couple of days ago the company, WCIS Limited, told TorrentFreak they did not wish to tell us about their intentions for the domains.

Run by an ex-Newzbin editor, the DeepSharer blog has now managed to secure an interview with Team R Dogs boss Mr White. Here are the main points, plus those from the later Q & A.

After reiterating that they are nothing to do with the original Newzbin staff, Mr White said that since they already had the Newzbin code, bringing the site back after their legal problems was just the opportune thing to do.

At least to begin, the site will be a “straight clone” of the old site, but a redesign is on the agenda. This process could carried out with the help of users who could be asked to vote on the inclusion of new features. There is even talk of adding non-Usenet search features such as BitTorrent and Rapidshare. And the porn will return on Newzxxx too.

As for retention, the aim is to reach at least 400 days as soon as possible and then move to 600+ days within 9 months from launch.

So will ex-users of Newzbin return to the site? Team R Dogs certainly hope so as they say the whole thing is costing a fortune and quite frankly, they need the money.

“I have personally signed cheques for an $22,000 Sun server and 2 x $9,000 Sun servers to help run this site and I expect to sign more. I have hired a fulltime coder on good salary, I am recruiting another expensive geek to keep the site up,” explains Mr White.

Although the site will probably launch for free for a week or two, the site will revert to a pay venue.

“Let me be clear. We have a profit motive in this. We haven’t tried to ‘steal’ from Newzbin1 guys – they got shutdown by the MPA, not by us. The MPA have given us an opportunity to make money. Thanks MPA,” he continues.

“Does this mean we intend to **** on users & ex-Newzbin1 members? **** no. We want to provide a good service and take the same profits the Newzbin1 guys did. Yea sure we are using their works to do so but they have abandoned their works and they have SAID so themselves. There is no moral ambiguity here: they have dropped out of the scene and we are replacing them.”

Part of the support for ex-members will be the continuation of any credit they had on the site, although how far back that will go will remain to be seen. For those adding new credit, a 3rd party payment system will be used.

But let’s not forget about the fate of Newzbin at the hands of the MPA – how will Team R Dogs fend off that inevitable attack?

“We’ll just do a Piratebay on them,” they say. “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.”
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Looks the MPAA just spent a small fortune for nothing
 
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The leadership of Newzbin readily admits there are many things wrong and that the Usenet indexer is still a work in progress. We're sure that the same resources that made Newzbin a smooth operator (such as a powerful server farm) are still trying to be matched by Newzbin2. According to Mr. White:

"There are catches and we don't want you having too high expectations for now. To be blunt, we've been struggling to understand the site code & systems. The backend is way more complicated than we realised. Some of it is busted and some services we don't know how to operate fully yet.

We are working hard but we thought, based on comments on the http://deepsharer.wordpress.com/ blog, that it would be better to run a partial Newzbin clone now rather than leave it for a couple of months until we do grok it all. Understand that things are likely to be
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Yeah, all works for me - just downloaded an .nzb now. I hope the MPAA/RIAA are absolutely sick at this, and so they should be.

MOTD: "We'll just do a Piratebay on them,” they say. “We can run faster than them and shapeshift.” :D

Just hope they dont do an ACTUAL TPB, that would be sad.
 
Just think the MPAA spent a small fortune and only managed to shut it down for 2 weeks. Not to mention they could get more subscribers now from all the publicity the court case brought.
 
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