Don't you mean 'Goolie'?
if you were in Nazi Germany would you..
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Don't you mean 'Goolie'?
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its true, i think the situation the OP is trying to ask, but in a ww2 frame of reference.
Would you help a minority inspite of grave personal danger/retribution?
IF you said yes you would, but then in the year 2010 do nothing to help in africa, the sudan, or wherever, then you are but a dreamer - who talks a good game but ultimately delivers nothing.
Would you help a minority inspite of grave personal danger/retribution?
IF you said yes you would, but then in the year 2010 do nothing to help in africa, the sudan, or wherever, then you are but a dreamer - who talks a good game but ultimately delivers nothing.
People react differently to something they see everyday right infront of them.
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Yeah, us brown folk wouldn't have fared well in Nazi Germany. On hitler's list, we'd be above Jews, but maybe a bit below slavs or something.
Only if you live in Africa or in a place where such ethnic violence is occuring. I have helped and continue to do so in Africa, would I do so if my Family was in danger if I continued, HELL NO.
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so you have to have it stuck right under your nose to think it worthy of your intervention? with a load of SS officers running around i severly doubt it.
borders/the world is much smaller than it once was, you could get to africa for £500 if you really wanted. in ww2 times it was unlikely you'd ever really leave the country. unless you were in the army or super rich. this is no longer the case.
are you telling me that suffering =/ suffering simply because it is in a country other than your own?
see above, where you live makes no difference really. you either feel the compulsion to help other people in a dire situation, or you ignore the problem and hope it resolves itself.
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I reckon most people would have ignored the problem
I would have finished my plate of fish finger sandwiches, then broke into the prison to release the Jews. They would try to gas me, but I can resist all forms of torture, including water-boarding, and would break the guard's necks without them noticing, for I would plan it, and they would not stand a chance.
No, it is a completely different thing entirely when you witness it first hand. The OP is quite clear that he meant if you lived with the regime, as the Allies gave their lives to stop these kind of attrocities during WW2 and people continue to do so now moots your point.
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What you guys have to understand is that before the Nazi rise to power, Germany had a crap load of problems, people's lives were awful!
First of all, they were humiliated in WW1, defeated and demoralised. They had no idea how bad the situation was, they thought that Germany could have continued but were let down by the politicians, who signed the armistice.
Then there's the treaty of versailles. The germans were outraged by the guilt clause, they felt they weren't responsible for the war. The reparations destroyed the economy, Germany simply could not afford them. The disarmament and loss of land were a complete disaster for German pride, they couldn't defend themselves and they were completely humiliated.
Then the hyperinflation problems. Imagine using a wheelbarrow with 3 trillion Marks to buy bread, and then finding somebody stole the wheelbarrow but left the money there.
The depression? No work, an indecisive government, loads more problems everyone complaining.
Then along comes Hitler, he's a strong leader. He reintroduces conscription and his SS and SA appear to be restoring order. He reverses a lot of clauses of the treaty of versailles, he's essentially solving Germany's problems and making it strong again!
Goebbels had so much propaganda going on that people believed that Hitler was a superman and he was destined to lead Germany. they didn't hear about the bad things due to censorship, only Hitler's inspirational speeches
Not to mention if you go against him you'll be killed...
After all this, would you really go against the state? The propaganda means that you'd be brainwashed into believing that what Hitler was doing was all for the good of Germany.
I very much doubt many members here would really go against Nazi Germany
First of all, they were humiliated in WW1, defeated and demoralised. They had no idea how bad the situation was, they thought that Germany could have continued but were let down by the politicians, who signed the armistice.
Then there's the treaty of versailles. The germans were outraged by the guilt clause, they felt they weren't responsible for the war. The reparations destroyed the economy, Germany simply could not afford them. The disarmament and loss of land were a complete disaster for German pride, they couldn't defend themselves and they were completely humiliated.
Then the hyperinflation problems. Imagine using a wheelbarrow with 3 trillion Marks to buy bread, and then finding somebody stole the wheelbarrow but left the money there.
The depression? No work, an indecisive government, loads more problems everyone complaining.
Then along comes Hitler, he's a strong leader. He reintroduces conscription and his SS and SA appear to be restoring order. He reverses a lot of clauses of the treaty of versailles, he's essentially solving Germany's problems and making it strong again!
Goebbels had so much propaganda going on that people believed that Hitler was a superman and he was destined to lead Germany. they didn't hear about the bad things due to censorship, only Hitler's inspirational speeches
Not to mention if you go against him you'll be killed...
After all this, would you really go against the state? The propaganda means that you'd be brainwashed into believing that what Hitler was doing was all for the good of Germany.
I very much doubt many members here would really go against Nazi Germany
Please, dont try to argue your point with me. Im not interested. My comment was not to start a discussion with you, I was merely stating facts.
Im not saying suffering depends on distance. Read it again.
Pretty much nailed it, it wasn't until I was wandering around a great museum in Berlin that I realised how bad it actually was in Germany during those times. People were so desperate and Hitler so persuasive that it's no surprise what happened.
TBH this is a bit of odd question. I haven't read all the replies but my thoughts are:
If you were suddenly sent back to Nazi Germany (and assuming you have a relevant papers etc so you don't get arrested immediately) then you might want to act to save some of the oppressed. Partially because you know how it all turns out (as it's your past history), partially because you have been raised to feel compassion about the people affected at that time.
If, however, you had been raised under Hitler's government then you may well have a very different view. Never forget just how powerful, insidious and all pervasive the Nazi propaganda machine was. That is why so few people did knowingly work against the Reich. And never forget the SS and Gestapo and associated groups. The cost of discovery was incredibly high. For you, your family, friends etc.
If you were suddenly sent back to Nazi Germany (and assuming you have a relevant papers etc so you don't get arrested immediately) then you might want to act to save some of the oppressed. Partially because you know how it all turns out (as it's your past history), partially because you have been raised to feel compassion about the people affected at that time.
If, however, you had been raised under Hitler's government then you may well have a very different view. Never forget just how powerful, insidious and all pervasive the Nazi propaganda machine was. That is why so few people did knowingly work against the Reich. And never forget the SS and Gestapo and associated groups. The cost of discovery was incredibly high. For you, your family, friends etc.
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Yeah.
I'd rather be dead than live in a nazi country so of course i'd do anything to prevent that happening.
I'd rather be dead than live in a nazi country so of course i'd do anything to prevent that happening.
That is almost making up an excuse for the populations 'ignorance' in my mind. For want of better words.
Many in Germany were correctly alarmed with the country running/leaning towards the far right in the road to war.
Not everyone was suckered in with 'inspirational' speeches. Moderate intellectuals anyway.
There were many Germans who didn't, civilians, students and the military.
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However, the Nazis were able to deal with these people, as I've said. They used tactics such as the SS and Gestapo to keep people in fear and stop them from speaking out against the state
You were placing too much emphasis that the populous on the whole swalled the propoganda imo, which they didn't.
Obviously they could silence problems pretty harshly, however it didn't stop some of them.
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obviously there were some who spoke out against the regime. Bishop Galen comes to mind. But for the majority of the population, they were either brainwashed by the propaganda or they were too scared to speak out.
My point is that whilst propaganda was effective, if it didn't work, then the Nazi terror tactics tended to suppress the rest. Obviously there are exceptions, however most of the people who spoke out would have been killed or sent to a concentration camp or something
My point is that whilst propaganda was effective, if it didn't work, then the Nazi terror tactics tended to suppress the rest. Obviously there are exceptions, however most of the people who spoke out would have been killed or sent to a concentration camp or something
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It wasn't disgusting at all - wind your neck in.
I simply chose an event which stuck in my memory, I am not pretending for a second that all sides weren't as bad as each other - those you mention are no worse.