**** Original Starcraft 2 Thread ****

H2F Scott said:
I've preordered the normal version. battle.net is in a terrible terrible state right now, but I have a glimmer of hope that Blizzard will fix the problems the community have been shouting about for months once the game comes out. The gameplay itself is extremely good so I'm preordering it on that basis, but I would really like for Blizzard to fix the obvious b.net 0.2 flaws.
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Heh B.net 0.2 v. good :)

I'm majorly psyched for this, the beta has been very fun.

The game itself is in a tremendous shape. it needs some tweaking, but I was around for the very original starcraft (before broodwar) and that game was outright broken on release (build mutas == win). SC2 is remarkably well balanced in comparison.

B.net 0.2 is as you say, is in a terrible, terrible state. The fundamental feature, the matchmaking, is amazing. Brilliant, Fantastic. I can't heap enough superlatives. You have achievements and unlockables, that's cool too.

But *everything* else, basically sucks. There's no cross-regional play (I can't play with my Aussie mates, I grew up playing SC1 with). There's no LAN (not a huge issue for me, but it *is* for competitive and tournament play). The social functionality, and indeed entire approach, is completely hopeless. Well the party system is good, but creating a social network (friendslist) to actually take advantage of that, is mind bogglingly stupid.

This is how it works yeah, to add a friend in bnet 0.2, you have to get their real account email address. Or, add them from facebook. Or, play a game against them. THAT IS IT. There's no other way to add a friend.

I don't know about you, but I keep my gaming 'friends' and real-life 'friends' pretty separate. I don't like sharing my real world name, and email-address to people I casually encounter playing a computer game.

I haven't pre-ordered yet, because I want this game so damn bad, I am hoping to be able to go to a midnight launch or something. Not that I've found one yet.

The collectors edition is of course a rip-off, but I will probably buy it anyway. 12 years is a long wait :)
 
Tute said:
Same, but they won't be getting more than £20 out of me if it's only for a third of a game.

If I can't find it for that I won't be buying it. Activision can go do one.
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I don't think it will be a third of a game to be honest. The price for wings of liberty is not too bad, in my opinion. What will be the issue is the pricing of the 'expansions'.
 
From what little i know about the release is that it's a huge single player game; something like 35 proper missions with lots of submissions. Compare this to a CC game and even my beloved CoH its a lot of game. The mp though is supposed to be amazing. Everything is polished to the n'th degree in terms of gfx and sounds. Gameplay is supposed to a lesson in balance as well.

I didn't go mad for beta because of personal feeling towards the process but everyone i know who has played it is bowled over by how amazing it is. Its a gold plated AAA game.

The only problem is that there will be shed loads of dl content for Activision to get there pound of flesh. That's the true shame of Blizz nowadays. They still make AAA games but now have a money grabbing element to it which will destroy the company if they ever make 2 turkeys.

£33 is a bargain for this game, no doubts about quality etc.
 
kar said:
I don't think it will be a third of a game to be honest. The price for wings of liberty is not too bad, in my opinion. What will be the issue is the pricing of the 'expansions'.
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Well when I bought SC back in 1998, I paid £34.99 for a game that came with one campaign for each faction.

Now I don't mind episodic content. Valve have done it reasonably well (although EP3 has been "lost in the post") but I won't be ripped off by a company hoping to split a full game into three parts and sneakily charge full amount for each.

I'll pay £40 for the three combined. As I can't see the Zerg/Protoss missions being less than a tenner each (and even that's being very optimistic, I reckon they'll be £25/30), I won't be paying more than £20 for the Terran ones.

No doubt this was Activision's idea, they're very closely catching up with EA on the "***hole scale". :rolleyes:

[Edit] To add, this is what my knowledge of the game is - that we'll get the Terran campaign at release and then the other expansions later on, and at additional cost.
 
Tute said:
Well when I bought SC back in 1998, I paid £34.99 for a game that came with one campaign for each faction.

Now I don't mind episodic content. Valve have done it reasonably well (although EP3 has been "lost in the post") but I won't be ripped off by a company hoping to split a full game into three parts and sneakily charge full amount for each.

I'll pay £40 for the three combined. As I can't see the Zerg/Protoss missions being less than a tenner each (and even that's being very optimistic, I reckon they'll be £25/30), I won't be paying more than £20 for the Terran ones.

No doubt this was Activision's idea, they're very closely catching up with EA on the "***hole scale". :rolleyes:

[Edit] To add, this is what my knowledge of the game is - that we'll get the Terran campaign at release and then the other expansions later on, and at additional cost.
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If you had the choice between 3 campaigns, each of 1/3rd the size and a minor expansion, or 1 big game, and 2 substantial expansions, which would y ou choose?

I know I would choose to have the games split up, with more, higher quality, content.

Yeah, almost certainly Activision is looking to monetize it's ip, exploit might even be the word. But as long as the content is good, and it is substantial, I don't mind.

If it's like these ridiculous MW2 map packs, then I will mind, and like those map packs, I wont buy.

*Edit* One last point, PC gaming in, slow, decline. A game like Starcraft, that is PC only, is quite rare nowadays. Part of me hopes Activision/Blizzard make a mint from SC2, to show that it *can* be done. It might cost us PC gamers a bit more, but we're still going to pay less and get more than console owners.
 
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I got in only through pre ordering it though! Well worth it. I feel the second phase of the beta will be open so that should be good. Will allow them to test a real launch situation.
 
Guest2 said:
I downloaded a version and supposedly a very hard AI called green tea. It turned out the ai just collected minerals and didnt build anything :rolleyes:
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You have done it wrong. There are working AI versions out there just be careful as there are a lot of viruses about as well. Also it breaches the term and conditions of the beta... :p
 
At the end of the day, I just want to pay what I paid for SC1 for the same amount of content/enjoyment.
 
Haha i have been lucky a few times with the starcrack insane 4 player FFA. I hide until i have enough to kill the last comp that has killed the other two lol!!!
 
dane3388 said:
Haha i have been lucky a few times with the starcrack insane 4 player FFA. I hide until i have enough to kill the last comp that has killed the other two lol!!!
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Ahh when that happens it's not too bad. And as terran it's not too hard at all. As Protoss though the ai players line up to attack me. I can hold on for a while but I can't expand and then (and it always is) a terran ai rocks up with a ball of marines marauders and no less than a dozen tanks.

At that point you're so whittled down there's nothing to do but ragequit :)

I think I need to try a cheese strat against the Terran ais to weaken them an hopefully encourag the other ais to go after him.

And not me!
 
EpicCarnage said:
fair enough still atleast its a gimmick that sort of makes sense
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then again maybe not
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Thing is, for your APM to be that high, you're not going to have time to notice your mouse is a diff colour :-)

Also, if you're like me, I click spam at the start of the game to get my brain up to speed. I'm doing nothing, but my APM is up around 200 :)
 
Least it will open up the sponsors for tournaments? If companies see Razer sponsoring events hopefully it'll stimulate others to do the same?
 
VaderDSL said:
Least it will open up the sponsors for tournaments? If companies see Razer sponsoring events hopefully it'll stimulate others to do the same?
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I think so. I don't like the kit itself (it's not exactly the most ergonomic) and a bit gimmicky. But I'm sure they will bring out some unbranded high quality kit before long.

If you've been following the 'scene' much at all during the beta you would have probably watched the HDH Invitational vodcasts/youtube broadcasts. During the live vodcast of the final (Idra vs Whitera) there was 25,000+ viewers. That's more people than go to Fulham home games :)

Being promoted to that sort of dedicated audience was paid for by irip for like $2000. Razor could reach an even more massive audience after the game's release and would have the budget to pay for it. I think it's almost certain that gaming sponsorship for SC2 will be very successful.
 
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