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Has anyone even stopped to consider WHO we as a country are in debt to?
How would YOU decrease the national debt?
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This has started to happen (in my local area at least) with regards to housing. A couple I know living in council housing but with the husband working full time so they pay full rent (still cheap mind) have just had a baby (total of 3 kids now). Asked to be moved from a 2 bed flat to a three bed house/flat and were told they would not jump the list as they have made themselves overcrowded.
Good start I feel.
Simples
core banking services are essential - no question about that.
in the last few decades we've seen executive arms within the banks which have taken to gambling with their parent banks' funds, and doing so recklessly
this ill-vetted activity let some institutions to near collapse and needing a bail-out - now these same banks aren't lending to ordinary folks and businesses!
i believe the careless risk-takers are still being rewarded, whilst everyone on the ground is left to pick up the pieces - its those who need to be targeted either with legislation or by taxation
how is taxation going to change anything? how is it going to stop these practices, it is not. Legislation is the way to do that. It wouldn't even be target at those who lost money.
Taxation is a scape goat and breeds the attitude which is causing so many problems. of give me and take from others.
Taxation is a scape goat and breeds the attitude which is causing so many problems. of give me and take from others.
I'm no expert, I have no idea. But legislation is teh only way of changing practises. Aren't they already giving the bank of England more power to investigate and enforce.
Do you really think tax would change anything and how do you think it will change it. Just means people will pay more unfair tax, rather than changing anything fundamental.
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I'm told that the Government borrows from 'the markets'.
And the 'lender of last resort' for the banks (as demonstrated recently) and the Government is the same Bank of England.
That's where our tax money goes. Usury!
Simple:
1. Scrap Road Tax in favor of a greater Tax on fuel - The more you use the more you pay.
2. Scrap Tax credits for over £15000 a year (combined) earners.
3. Sell the BBC
4. Withdraw form the EU (Costing us a fortune)
5. Withdraw for Afghanistan.
6. Scrap All nuclear weapons in the UK. Sell what we have off to the highest bidder.
7. Combine all armed forces into one unit. (Like the US marines)
8. Greater help for people on JSA. Introduce food vouchers and bus passes instead of handing out cash, in turn limiting the amount of cash money given.
9. Privates loads of stuff (cant be bother listing them)
Ohh yeh, and 10. sell all the wine.
Done, piece of ****.
1. Scrap Road Tax in favor of a greater Tax on fuel - The more you use the more you pay.
2. Scrap Tax credits for over £15000 a year (combined) earners.
3. Sell the BBC
4. Withdraw form the EU (Costing us a fortune)
5. Withdraw for Afghanistan.
6. Scrap All nuclear weapons in the UK. Sell what we have off to the highest bidder.
7. Combine all armed forces into one unit. (Like the US marines)
8. Greater help for people on JSA. Introduce food vouchers and bus passes instead of handing out cash, in turn limiting the amount of cash money given.
9. Privates loads of stuff (cant be bother listing them)
Ohh yeh, and 10. sell all the wine.
Done, piece of ****.
targeted taxation is just as much a disincentive as greed and personal ambition is an incentive...
it wont undo the economic crisis, but if risky ventures were heavily taxed (but normal banking activities were encouraged) it would make ideas like sub-prime credit seem like a silly risk
it wont undo the economic crisis, but if risky ventures were heavily taxed (but normal banking activities were encouraged) it would make ideas like sub-prime credit seem like a silly risk
It wont do any of that as you purposed tax on wages and bonuses. that has no disincentive to the banks who are making billions from these deals.
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The FSA isn't being disbanded in reality - it's being split. The legislation will remain unchanged.
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But then, as they already know they are unemployable .. they'll rob your house, beating you if you are there, to feed their starving kids ..
No thanks ..
Hmm, have you actually seen any US Marines in action? It's all brainless KILL KILL KILL MAARRRINEZZZ HOORAH. No thanks, the septics can keep that stuff.
I'd agree with point number one though.
I would dismantle the NHS...those who are too poor are a burden on the state and taxpayer anyway.
Remove all benefits...no Job, tough.
No subsidised travel...can't afford bus fare...walk
Abolish Legal Aid, can't afford a lawyer...so sue me.
Charge a mandatory £1000 entrance fee to everyone entering the country regardless of reason.
Scrap free education and subsidised higher education, can't afford it, get a better job.
Remove all benefits...no Job, tough.
No subsidised travel...can't afford bus fare...walk
Abolish Legal Aid, can't afford a lawyer...so sue me.
Charge a mandatory £1000 entrance fee to everyone entering the country regardless of reason.
Scrap free education and subsidised higher education, can't afford it, get a better job.
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Some people would argue petrol is already to expensive. In fact, 99.99% of the entire population would. Also makes all goods for you and me more expensive as haulage costs go through the roof, effectively crippling businesses and maybe causing a new recession. Great. People that use up 5 parking spaces 365 days a year in crowded city centres, and never move their cars, pay £0.00 per year. So why bother scrapping the car? Just dump it on public roads. Awesome.
But what about if they've got 12 kids and can't afford to live without tax credits? Do we let the innocent children literally die of starvation, or is your super plan to force them to rob and steal from you and me to get the funds they need to survive? Your call ? Or are we going down some kind of nazi 'forced sterlization' route here? Nice set of options there pal. Benefits always HAVE TO be based on what the family needs, or one of the above options.
It's the only decent broadcaster. Its the most bias-free source of news in the entire world. It also creates minority-interest programmes which no-one else does, meaning people into 'wierd' stuff at least have something to watch - where as privately owned just churns out 'Simpsons' then 'Seinfeld' then 'House' for 24 hours a day. Because it's cheap, easy, and grabs a relatively large audience
The EU give a fortune to Wales and Scotland. And the admin costs it saves from having 28 countries all decide seperately their own legislation is amazing. It provides cheap labour. It makes all your goods cheaper. It allows businesses to trade more easily with a wider market. It stops protectionism, tarriffing, it lets me bring back booz from abroad, it lets me work anywhere I blimin' want in the EU, it gives me cheaper plumbers and cheaper beer, etc etc etc I could go on all day ..
So you want us to lose a war and all the deaths to be 'in vain' and to achieve NOTHING? Presumably you also don't mind a bus or a plane getting blown up once a month, because they Afghan organisers know they can just sit in their country and act with complete impunity over British citizens lives? Marvellous. Let's just let people organise the killing of British citizens for as long as they want, as often as they want shall we? Wow - awesome. There were similar calls to appease Hitler after he took over France as well. To give up. To fold. To say 'OK we give in, we lose'. Thank god we didn't listen.
So if the highest bidder is Al Quaeda, you'd sell them nukes? Again - marvellous. Also in the last 100 years England has been at risk of CEASING TO EXIST ALTOGETHER more than once. And you want to take away our militarys greatest form of deterrence? One that has stopped any conflict threatening this island for the longest period EVER. Without nukes, someone WITH nukes would get a radical government, and, believe it or not, they'd say 'Give us your country or we'll nuke you as we feel we have a birth-right to it'.
Ironically, according to you we can't even go to the EU for protection as we withdrew 'to save some dosh'. Deary, deary me.
So you'd have the SAS combined with 16 year old fresh-faced noobs, who have only been trained to load torpedo bays in subs, combined with RAF Harrier jump jet pilots, in the same unit? Yea that would make operations run well :/ I presume this one actually is some kind of joke?
Instantly would create a black market in food vouchers and bus passes. Not fair on the people that don't need to use the bus, or choose to walk to save money (no point in them doing it now). Not fair on people that don't eat as much. It doesn't force people to spend their money on food rather than fags - they always just instantly turn to the black market and sell their food allowance. Have to pay places to accept food vouchers. Do they give change in cash? If so - someone buys a single pack of chewing gum just to get all the change in cash. If not, you need different denominations to give correct change, and then you've created an entire 'parallel' currency - which causes 101 problems not least it is AMAZINGLY EXPENSIVE!!
But if you do that any businesses that DOES work (pull a profit), the money from then on goes into private hands who spend it on themselves rather than the governments, who spend it on you.
Any business that does not work ends up massively subsidised by you to keep it alive (trains, busses etc), yet any profits (and self-decided wages) go into private hands who spend it on themselves.
I was hoping I'd read at least one decent idea ....
But it can be summerised as 'Mentally reduce all public services, hope most people on benefits quietly die of starvation as we take away their essential money, hate all foreigners but let them off if they kill British citizens, and don't take part in the global economy'. Has that just about summed it up? deary me ..
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Here is an interesting thought:
People talk about benefit culture and all and say if you cannot afford it you don't have one.
Well why not apply the same logic to our countries budgeting?
We are skint so we should:
Shelve international aid
Remove all armed forces from combat, keep them as a line of defence in our country not abroad.
MP's to earn £25k-£30k per year for thier job, PM to get £30k max, other party members on a sliding scale.
Would be a start.
People talk about benefit culture and all and say if you cannot afford it you don't have one.
Well why not apply the same logic to our countries budgeting?
We are skint so we should:
Shelve international aid
Remove all armed forces from combat, keep them as a line of defence in our country not abroad.
MP's to earn £25k-£30k per year for thier job, PM to get £30k max, other party members on a sliding scale.
Would be a start.
how exactly does killing poeple in afganastan stop an english guy blowing up a bus?
afganastan is if anything a great advert for the nut cases... come fight for the cause look what the english are doing to your fellow muslims..
we should leave tomorrow, I'd dont know how much its costing but its gotta be a lot...
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Increase tax on Spie.