The Budget

Disco Boy · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:20

britboy4321 said:
No, MOST people (all ages included) don't have to spend ANY money on mortgage or rent. Either SOMEONE ELSE or THE STATE picks up the bill or THEY'VE PAID IT OFF. Capiche?

And the AMOUNT the individual person spends is nothing to do with what we're talking about. Whether it is £2 a month or £200,000 a month, the silly-billys argue 'most people IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP' spend more on VAT exempt goods than on VATable goods.

In short, they're talking rubbish. And it's funny.

Well now you're saying something which you can't back up. Until such a time that you have figures to back up what you're saying, there's no point in arguing this point.

What is relevant, however, is a different point. VAT is placed on good which aren't necessary to get by in life. As such, in times which are as hard as these where the government needs more money, do you not agree that, therefore, VAT should be the first thing to be increased? I, for one, am perfectly willing not to be able to buy as many luxury items if that helps this country get out of the mess that it is in.

dirtydog · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:20

britboy4321 said:
Just, simply, entirely not true.

You're thinking only of 'Employed under 50 year old people'. Not the entire demographic.

What happens to the employed once they hit 50 then?

Are you assuming everyone of that age has paid off a mortgage by then?

britboy4321 · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:20

The Mad Rapper said:
Why would you include all ages? That's retarded, obviously children won't have mortgages, and neither will old people who are home owners?

Because people REPEATEDLY are saying 'Most people spend MOST of their money on VAT exempt goods'.

Not 'most employed people' or 'most people I know', but just the generic 'most people'.

That is obviously daft, and I point out the most obviously problem with their grossly inaccurate statement - the 'children' demographic ..

britboy4321 · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:21

dirtydog said:
What happens to the employed once they hit 50 then? Are you assuming everyone of that age has paid off a mortgage by then?

The percentages of them that have paid their mortgage by working through it OR got a large inheritance which did the job starts to go up ..

krooton · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:21

britboy4321 said:
No, MOST people (all ages included) don't have to spend ANY money on mortgage or rent. Either SOMEONE ELSE or THE STATE picks up the bill or THEY'VE PAID IT OFF. Capiche?

And the AMOUNT the individual person spends is nothing to do with what we're talking about. Whether it is £2 a month or £200,000 a month, the silly-billys argue 'most people IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP' spend more on VAT exempt goods than on VATable goods.

In short, they're talking rubbish. And it's funny.

Logic fail.

Any one out of school has to pay rent/mortgage unless they are lucky enough to inherit property straight away, or stay living with the parents (which is usually done to save up enough for a deposit to get a mortgage). If in either situation, you don't need to pay for the big, expensive non-VAT non-essentials, so you have more money to burn, and can thus take VAT costs on the chin.

You cannot include non-earners in to your calculations as they are NON-EARNERS. Kids are instantly removed from the equation.

As for people sponging off the state, well, essentials aren't affect, so you can survive. You want shiny, fancy things? Get a friggin job!

dirtydog · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:22

britboy4321 said:
Because people REPEATEDLY are saying 'Most people spend MOST of their money on VAT exempt goods'.

Not 'most employed people' or 'most people I know', but just the generic 'most people'.

That is obviously daft, and I point out the most obviously problem with their grossly inaccurate statement - the 'children' demographic ..

So your complaint is that children's pocket money won't stretch to quite so many cigarettes and bottles of cheap cider?

The Mad Rapper · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:22

cm1179 said:
maybe you should count yourself lucky instead of (what i'd call bragging) about how much you earn?

Who are you to question me? I don't brag, and I wasn't bragging. Now get back in your box.

antijoke · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:22

Could you tell me how I get on the scheme of not having to pay rent and getting he state to pay it?

Bar · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:22

britboy4321 said:
Because people REPEATEDLY are saying 'Most people spend MOST of their money on VAT exempt goods'.

Not 'most employed people' or 'most people I know', but just the generic 'most people'.

That is obviously daft, and I point out the most obviously problem with their grossly inaccurate statement - the 'children' demographic ..

So your entire argument is about semantics? Really? ...

Most people would realise that when people use the above statement they are talking about the majority of income earners (i.e. those individuals that the conversation is most relevant to).

Common sense is a wonderful thing when applied correctly.

The Mad Rapper · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:23

britboy4321 said:
Because people REPEATEDLY are saying 'Most people spend MOST of their money on VAT exempt goods'.

Not 'most employed people' or 'most people I know', but just the generic 'most people'.

That is obviously daft, and I point out the most obviously problem with their grossly inaccurate statement - the 'children' demographic ..

You're taking pedantry to new levels

I clearly understood 'most' to mean 'adult'.

dirtydog · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:23

anticonscience said:
Could you tell me how I get on the scheme of not having to pay rent and getting he state to pay it?

Be in receipt of a low income relative to housing costs in your area.

Disco Boy · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:23

britboy4321 said:
That is obviously daft, and I point out the most obviously problem with their grossly inaccurate statement - the 'children' demographic ..

The "children with pocket money" demographic is so completely irrelevant in any economic debate that you repeatedly mentioning it shows how seriously we should take you.

britboy4321 · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:25

krooton said:
Logic fail.

Any one out of school has to pay rent/mortgage unless they are lucky enough to inherit property straight away, or stay living with the parents

If you can't afford rent or mortgage, the council will lend you a house for as long as you need it.

They call these things 'council houses'.

dirtydog · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:25

britboy4321 said:
If you can't afford rent or mortgage, the council will lend you a house for as long as you need it.

Not necessarily true at all actually.

They will give you housing benefit, but it's up to you to find someone willing to let to you, and to find your own fees, deposit and advance rent etc.

britboy4321 · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:26

anticonscience said:
Could you tell me how I get on the scheme of not having to pay rent and getting he state to pay it?

Phone up your local council, they'll be able to help you ..

antijoke · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:26

Lol, no they wont.

wannabedamned · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:26

Libdem\Conservatives could wave a magic wand and make 640billion appear out of thin air and Labour supporters would still disagree with the means

britboy4321 · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:26

anticonscience said:
Lol, no they wont.

They did for my wife's cousin, and they currently cover 100% of his entire rent until further notice.

Bar · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:27

britboy4321 said:
If you can't afford rent or mortgage, the council will lend you a house for as long as you need it.

They call these things 'council houses'.

Excellent - so all the homeless people can all walk into their nearest council office and be given a house for as long as they need one?

dirtydog · 22 Jun 2010 at 14:27

wannabedamned said:
Libdem\Conservatives could wave a magic wand and make 640billion appear out of thin air and Labour supporters would still disagree with the means

Well they could have printed it. I think that was Labour's plan... never mind that it destroys the value of our money but since when do Labour care about such things.