Welsh Independance

[Gaidin109]

Here is you saying it, second sentence

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=16166971&postcount=237

Liar



Thats not what you said at the time liar there was no context of independence at all the thread wasn't even about that, this is what you said out of the blue stamping your feet:



And you have the audacity to call me a liar?

You just can't tell a story straight can you?

You then completely re-worded the whole post which was now on the previous page to save some face amongst your highly esteemed OcUK peers.

Sad pathetic little fantasist you are.

Are you on medication. You are simply repeating yourself whilst attempting to change what I said when the original was very clear.

Also where is the posts from Dolph correcting me, He simply agreed with your post which was only some pedantic explanation that wasn't needed as it had little to do with what I actually said.

And the quote of mine which you originally quoted as shown below:

Originally Posted by Gaidin109

Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries. The UK Govt retain all power over the Scotland politically (devolution is can be repealed at any time). Powers are granted to Scotland by Westminister, notrelinguished by them.

With the rest of the quote to give it the correct context is quite plain. Are you suggesting that Scotland does have Embassies in foreign countries, or that is is recognised independently from the UK?

I made the clarification around the original statement, which you keep quoting and by your own admission and original quote is still unchanged when I next returned to the thread. You make out it was on the previous page as if it was weeks afterward, yet only 5 posts had been made since your questioning post.

You asked for clarification of a statement I made, I gave it. Get over yourself.

 

[Chives]

Jesus you two are like children on a playground , anyway do carry on it is amusing .

 

[Biohazard]

Are you on medication. You are simply repeating yourself whilst attempting to change what I said when the original was very clear.

Also where is the posts from Dolph correcting me, He simply agreed with your post which was only some pedantic explanation that wasn't needed as it had little to do with what I actually said.

And the quote of mine which you originally quoted as shown below:



With the rest of the quote to give it the correct context is quite plain. Are you suggesting that Scotland does have Embassies in foreign countries, or that is is recognised independently from the UK?

You asked for clarification of a statement I made, I gave it. Get over yourself.

You said you never said that at all and I am a liar, I disproved you with the quote and you are indeed the liar. The only reason I have to repeat things to you is because you ignore the obvious points I make and continue to obfuscate the matter, it is the only way you think you can win at argument. It is a fallacy.

You went back and added to it, substantially.

I expect you to keep saying that you never - although considering just half an hour ago you couldn't even remember which thread this all took place in I very much doubt you can believed on anything else you claim you can remember!!

Pants on fire?

Scotland is obviously recognised apart and away from the UK as a whole, it has internationally recognised borders, legal system, flag and parliament etc.

 

[WalesOwl]

Why would we want to be independent when we can carry on siphoning money from English taxpayers?

 

[Biohazard]

Why would we want to be independent when we can carry on siphoning money from English taxpayers?

sit back and enjoy all that free healthcare!

 

[Chives]

Why would we want to be independent when we can carry on siphoning money from English taxpayers?

Lol true . If only the plaid cymru brigade saw it that way.

 

[Tefal]

Lol true . If only the plaid cymru brigade saw it that way.

They do, they get paid huge amounts on money by the English to hurl abuse at the English.

God i love bureaucracy

 

[Biohazard]

They do, they get paid huge amounts on money by the English to hurl abuse at the English.

God i love bureaucracy

You do pay some taxes in wales too you know

 

[Tefal]

You do pay some taxes in wales too you know

Yeah but that gets wasted paying for the police sensitivity training after the hot cross bun scandal of '08.

 

[Gaidin109]

You said you never said that at all and I am a liar, I disproved you with the quote and you are indeed the liar. The only reason I have to repeat things to you is because you ignore the obvious points I make and continue to obfuscate the matter, it is the only way you think you can win at argument. It is a fallacy.

You went back and added to it, substantially.

I expect you to keep saying that you never - although considering just half an hour ago you couldn't even remember what thread this took place in I very much doubt you can believed on anything else you think you remember.

Pants on fire?

I never said it in the way that you took it out of context and you know it. You didn't even quote it in this thread I did (liar), and where does it say that Scotland is not a Country, considering that is what you claim I said (liar).

Although I am not going to debate the finer points of the Scottish identy with a man who claimed in all seriousness that Scotland wasn't a country in the first place.

Nowhere did I say that, I said that it isn't independently recognised as one internationally and gave it's lack of foreign embassies as an example.

Scotland is obviously recognised apart and away from the UK as a whole, it has internationally recognised borders, legal system, flag and parliament etc.

So has England, Wales and Northern Ireland, that doesn't mean they are recognised as independent by foreign nations, They are all within the United Kindom border which is recognised internationally and does have Foreign Embassies.


I also never said I did not add to the original post, I explicitly said I did so it is you that is now plainly lying by saying otherwise, I did not however change the passage you have quoted over and over, even from your original quote of it before I made any additions or comments related to it.

 

[Biohazard]

I never said it in the way that you took it out of context and you know it. You didn't even quote it in this thread I did (liar), and where does it say that Scotland is not a Country, considering that is what you claim I said (liar).

Yes you did, liar.

I take nothing out of context. I'm not you.

Nowhere did I say that, I said that it isn't independently recognised as one internationally and gave it's lack of foreign embassies as an example.

You by inferring that Scotland is indistinguishable from the UK in any sense that it is not a country.

You kept insisting on that until I explained to you otherwise, in what you felt was "some pedantic explanation" - the unitary state we live in. You then ran back and "clarified" your post.

Stop being a pendant yourself.

Otherwise why run back and change your statement?

So has England, Wales and Northern Ireland, that doesn't mean they are recognised as independent by foreign nations, They are all within the United Kindom border which is recognised internationally and does have Foreign Embassies.

Way to obfuscate again.

Neither was I saying that or coming to that conclusion, inferring it or thinking it.

But you bash on and argue with yourself, fantasist.

 

[Gaidin109]

Yes you did, liar.

I take nothing out of context. I'm not you.

Liar.

You said by inferring that Scotland is indistinguishable from the UK in any sense that it is not a country.

Stop being a pendant.

Otherwise why run back and change your statement?

Take it out of context again why don't you. As I said, I clarified it for you. I made that quite plain in the reply to your original question.

I made no such inference, you assumed it all by yourself.

Way to obfuscate again.

Neither was I saying that or coming to that conclusion.

But you bash on and argue with yourself, fantasist.

No, really. I see you have returned to insults once again.

 

[Biohazard]

Liar.

Liar and a fantasist.

Go go power rangers!

Take it out of context again why don't you. As I said, I clarified it for you. I made that quite plain in the reply to your original question.

You didn't need to go back to 'clarify' your initial post for me in any sense of the word, I was the one who had just clarified that position and post for you!!

I made no such inference, you assumed it all by yourself.

Yes you did.

Otherwise why would Dolph feel the need to step in between the argument and say I was correct in my 'pedantic explanation'?

Why did he not agree with your position before you caved in and started editing your posts?

I don't work on assumptions, sorry.

No, really. I see you have returned to insults once again.

You are a liar, yet you try to hold me to account over 'personal' insults when its both true, and you are also doing the very same yourself?

 

[Gaidin109]

You by inferring that Scotland is indistinguishable from the UK in any sense that it is not a country.

You kept insisting on that until I explained to you otherwise, in what you felt was "some pedantic explanation" - the unitary state we live in. You then ran back and "clarified" your post.

I did not insist on any such thing, I made a grand total of 0 posts between the original statement:

Scotland is not a separate sovereign state, so while culturally it is a nation, it is not an independent Country, neither is it a sovereign State.

Scotland has no independent recognition externally from the UK, it has no Embassies in other Countries. The UK Govt retain all power over the Scotland politically (devolution is can be repealed at any time). Powers are granted to Scotland by Westminister, not relinguished by them.

So while Scotland is a Nation, it is also a region of the United Kingdom, as it is an adminstrative territory of the UK.

Each nation within the UK is also sub-divided into political regions etc, but as I was using the term Region in it's descriptive sense rather than a political one, just as you could say England is a region of the UK, or that the UK is a region of Europe and so on. You are just being pedantic.

yours:

Can you clarify the first sentence?

What exactly is "independent recognition externally from the UK"?

An example of what this might be please.

Scotland is a country, just not an independent one. It entered into political arrangement by its own agreement. Or by going with your analysis, England isn't a country either. The truth is, Scotland is one of four countries which form the unitary state of the United Kingdom, along with England, Northern Ireland, and Wales.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicInfo/faq/category2.htm

and my reply and intention to clarify:

Can you clarify the first sentence?

What exactly is "independent recognition externally from the UK"?

An example of what this might be please.

Scotland is a country, just not an independent one. It entered into political arrangement by its own agreement. Or by going with your analysis, England isn't a country either. The truth is, Scotland is one of four countries which form the unitary state of the United Kingdom, along with England, Northern Ireland, and Wales.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicInfo/faq/category2.htm

There are no lies there, just a statement of intent and a clarifiction of my position which, (by your own admission) you felt inferred something else.

To make anything more of it to justify your insulting attitude is just crass and desperate.

 

[EdGey]

Whats the point?

 

[Biohazard]

I did not insist on any such thing, I made a grand total of 0 posts between the original statement:



yours:



and my reply and intention to clarify:




There are no lies there, just a statement of intent and a clarifiction of my position which, (by your own admission) you felt inferred something else.

To make anything more of it to justify your insulting attitude is just crass and desperate.

It doesn't mean anything, you had ran back and edited it all by this point. Holding edited posts as proof of what was there before is just as failing as your other argumentative styles.

You are the desperado trying to save face, again.

Its not that I felt it, you clearly inferred it. Also people started to side and agree with my arguments, not yours. So clearly others took your inferrence the exact same way as well. As it was intended.

It isn't 'us', its 'you'.

But hey, keep going..

 

[whitecrook]

Who is this guy?

 

[Biohazard]

Who is this guy?

Who me or him?

A slightly deluded man. That's what.

 

[Gaidin109]

It doesn't mean anything, you had ran back and edited it all by this point. Holding edited posts as proof of what was there before is just as failing as your other argumentative styles.

You are the desperado trying to save face, again.

Its not that I felt it, you clearly inferred it. Also people started to side and agree with my arguments, not yours. So clearly others took your inferrence the exact same way as well. As it was intended.

It isn't 'us', its 'you'.

But hey, keep going..

Show me where Dolph disagreed with me?, agreeing with a statement made by you is not the same as he specifically disagreed with me.

No-one else made any comment on it. You asked for clarification, you got it. It didn't agree with your assumptions so you attack the way in which it was given. Now you bring it up like some highly prized trophy whenever you feel that your argument is even a little shaky.

 

[Biohazard]

Show me where Dolph disagreed with me?, agreeing with a statement made by you is not the same as he specifically disagreed with me.

Haha.

Yes it is when my retort is made in disagreement and direct contrast with your statement.

You say something, I say its wrong, someone else says I am correct in saying you are wrong with your statement - that automatically puts them into a position of disagreement with your statement. If it is said directly to you or not.

Simples

No-one else made any comment on it. You asked for clarification, you got it. It didn't agree with your assumptions so you attack the way in which it was given. Now you bring it up like some highly prized trophy whenever you feel that your argument is even a little shaky.

No, I asked your for clarification which was even worse than your initial statement, I then 'informed' you about our countries constitutional makeup ie the unitary state, then you then went on to 'clarify' your own postings to make it look like you had never taken the erroneous position in the first place.

My arguments are bullet proof, thats what little narrow minded people like yourself can't stand or let go.