Ebay screwed :( Ruined my month!

Surfer said:
Are you saying theres no evidence that the seller is holding onto the OP's money or is it the dishonest intent part you disagree with...

its hard because you dont present an argument you state points as if they are already self-evident truths that do not require anything else.
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That's exactly what you are doing, you stated he had deliberately withheld money when no one has presented any evidence to show that. How can I argue against something like that? I am going on the information presented here, you are supposing information.
 
Energize said:
That's exactly what you are doing, you stated he had deliberately withheld money when no one has presented any evidence to show that. How can I argue against something like that? I am going on the information presented here, you are supposing information.
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Well i am assuming that when the OP says the seller isnt giving him his money back citing financial difficulties i take him at his word.

Considering that the entire thread is based on what the OP's report of the situation is, what thread are you reading to get different information?
 
Surfer said:
Well i am assuming that when the OP says the seller isnt giving him his money back citing financial difficulties i take him at his word.
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OP says he doesn't have the money, you say he is deliberately withholding it, those are two completely different things.
 
NathanE said:
Further reason (if it was ever needed) to never use PayPal.

It's OK for its intended purpose of paying your "pals" i.e. people you know. But for conducting business transactions it is totally useless and not fit for purpose.
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Completely agree

I got shafted twice for nearly £200 each time and paypal just ruled in the sellers favour when I recieved nothing both times lol. The customer service is as abysmal as the company itself.

Never use it now and I'd rather buy something which costs me more from a trusted site then even pay half price for it on ebay lol
 
Energize said:
OP says he doesn't have the money, you say he is deliberately withholding it, those are two completely different things.
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First things first. I have ignored what the seller has SAID. I have looked at his actions to deduce his intentions. I think you have done the opposite. You have taken on board more what the seller is saying regardless of the facts of the case (ie the actions)

I already provided evidence of suspicious behaviour by the seller that would lead one to believe (using common sense) that something was not quite right that warranted a criminal investigation to clear things up.

Like ive said, ive stuck to the actions involved, not the various excuses (by the seller) that have been mentioned. Why? because in this context his words dont count for much ie they dont clear him, only his actions can damn him or rather prove to us what his intentions are.

Thus far the "seller" has sold nothing to the OP and yet has managed to gain £1k+ of the OP's money. He has also managed to keep this money despite not being able to provide what the OP paid for. (and yet some still think he's a legit business person...impressive)

Now if the seller had refunded the OP straightaway or said yeah he would within a couple of days (and it went through) then that to me is the legit normal thing to do. The fact that the seller now wants to pay in installments and doesnt want to reveal his address should send alarm bells ringing in even the most dense of individuals Energize.


When all is said and done EVEN IF the truth is the seller messed up financially which is why he doesnt have the tickets OR the OP's money then at the moment he is trying to cover himself and at the very least he has defrauded the OP out of his money (by his negligent actions) and imo the OP is quite within his rights to report him to the police.

I'm curious what kind of evidence would you regard as being proof of his dishonest intent? As you claim there is none so far.
 
oli356 said:
I don't get why he doesn't have the money..?
You gave him it so what has he done with it
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Agreed! and also surely wouldnt someone making large multiple purchases from ticket master on a regular basis make sure they had the funds readily available in their account so their card wouldnt decline?

I know the guy has 3000 or whatever feedback but something seems dodgy, it wouldnt matter to me if he had 30 or 30000 feedback i would still expect a prompt refund at the least.
Imho the OP has every right to be annoyed and suspect the seller of being untrustworthy and dishonest.
 
Surfer said:
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So you concede you are basing everything on your own suspicions and not on the provided evidence, thank you.

I would however suggest you educate yourself on small business practice and how the legal system operates, paying in instalments is exactly what a court would order in such a situation and given the circumstances it is a sensible course of action for the seller to take, that does not warrant cries of thief. I would hate to see the police forces time wasted on such matters if the same situation were to arise with you.
 
Time and time again, we have these same threads about people getting shafted on eBay , either as a seller or as a buyer and people never seem to learn!

If you ever buy anything of value either through PayPal or any online shop, always use a credit card, not a debit card. That way , whatever happens you're covered. Good luck with your bank - hopefully you'll get this resolved.

Lesson learnt for the future I guess ...
 
fini said:
You can't be prosecuted if it's a civil action - you are sued.
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Also known as civil prosecution. You can be criminally prosecuted for malicious prosecution by suing someone maliciously.

fini said:
The action will be physically the same as a trespass, but it will not be trespass itself that you will be prosecuted for. Ergo, it is not possible to be prosecuted for trespass in and of itself.
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Of course you can be prosecuted for trespassing, to land in this context, it constitutes either a criminal or civil offence depending on the circumstances.
 
I won a Saturday ticket tonight in a pub but won't be going, however looking at the auction site it's worth £100+. Result! Just goes to show that drinking Tennents is worth it!* (* on rare occasions)
 
Just spoke to bank.

In short they are gojng to give me the money, Will take around a week just need to sign a form and its done. I asked how they are going to get the money from the dude and they simply said" dont worry about it that will be our problem our priority is looking after you"

Was worried because i only paid using debit card.
 
I think Debit Cards are covered just about as well as Credit Cards nowadays, glad you've got it sorted.

Scamming barstewards :p
 
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