UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin (Sat, July 3rd 2010)

rypt · 6 Jul 2010 at 22:01

HighlandeR Brock gets the money because the PPVs he's on draw more than others generally

Kenai · 6 Jul 2010 at 22:03

Big Kev said:
He gets that sort of money, because of the WWE fans, amongst others, that now watch the UFC because of him competing with them.

I'd imagine he's drawn across a lot of people too, especially as WWE has taken a huge PG downturn since Brock was in it.

UFC probably provides a perfect replacement for many turned off WWE fans and he is the perfect catalyst to get them watching.

sanaxe1 · 6 Jul 2010 at 22:13

HighlandeR said:
I think Brock was put straight forward in the top rankings and got to his position far too quick, he should have had at least 6-8 fights and then title shot also, and I agree on your point $400k he got just to step into the octagon and dont forget he got $75k bonus which wasnt even his really and + dana proberly gave him a more, while Shane got $40k.

I don't agree with this. He did not get put into the top rankings to quick, you know how i know this? Because he is the champion. If he would have lost all his fights then you could argue that it wasn't fair as he obviously wasn't good enough. Your skill is not a reflection of the rankings but the rankings are a reflection of your skill. Some people have to start from the bottom others have the skill to start at the top.

Also as for how much he gets paid is due to the amount of PPV buys his stardom attracts. Its the same in any other sport.

UFC 115 : got 400,000 PPV buys
UFC 116 : we will find out in a few days but the number is supposed to be the biggest yet with around 2million.

rypt · 6 Jul 2010 at 22:28

sanaxe1 said:
I don't agree with this. He did not get put into the top rankings to quick, you know how i know this? Because he is the champion. If he would have lost all his fights then you could argue that it wasn't fair as he obviously wasn't good enough. Your skill is not a reflection of the rankings but the rankings are a reflection of your skill. Some people have to start from the bottom others have the skill to start at the top.

Also as for how much he gets paid is due to the amount of PPV buys his stardom attracts. Its the same in any other sport.

UFC 115 : got 400,000 PPV buys
UFC 116 : we will find out in a few days but the number is supposed to be the biggest yet with around 2million.

Indeed

UFC 81, Brock's debut, had 600k buys ... the other major event on it was Big Nog.
UFC 83, had 530k buys, and had Bisping, GSP and Franklin

UFC 91 (Brock vs Couture) had over 1 mil buys, by contrast Randy vs Nog at UFC102 only did 435k, Randy vs Gonzaga at UFC74, with GSP on the card as well, only did 485k

UFC 100 (Brock vs Mir) had 1.6mil buys, but did have a very stacked card with GSP, Bisping, Henderson, and others

But put it this way, GSP or Couture have never had 1mil buys or more, I mean look at UFC111 ... that was Mir vs Carwin, GSP vs Hardy, Fitch and Pellegrino ... and it only got 770k

HighlandeR · 7 Jul 2010 at 00:01

Yeah I did say its the WWE that brings in the fans to UFC and makes them big bux especially with PPV, thats obvious

I just feel Shane got a crappy deal with $40k in comparision...

As for Brock getting where he was after 5 fights, I would have prefered Brock working his way from the bottom to top he would have much more respect/appreciation imo then, no one deserves to be landed on top straight away imo it sort of disrespects all the mma fighters that been working for years to get to the top of the ladder, but its happen and thats life anyhow will Wait and see for ufc 119 this September

peterattheboro · 7 Jul 2010 at 01:55

HighlandeR said:
As for Brock getting where he was after 5 fights, I would have prefered Brock working his way from the bottom to top he would have much more respect/appreciation imo then, no one deserves to be landed on top straight away imo it sort of disrespects all the mma fighters that been working for years to get to the top of the ladder, but its happen and thats life anyhow will Wait and see for ufc 119 this September

You have to think of his opponents though if he started from the bottom. He would absolutley murder them. Brock was put against guys in his own league. His league just happened to be at the top.

And now he's created his own league with possibly imo only Shane Carwin is a member of. Can't see Velasquez posing much of a threat. The supposed big boys in Couture/Mir have already been dominated by Brock.

rypt · 7 Jul 2010 at 01:57

Brock's first UFC fight was against Mir, as a test to see just where he was ... and while he lost via submission, he was beating Mir in that fight.
So no wonder he went straight to the top from then on

HighlandeR · 7 Jul 2010 at 10:27

peterattheboro said:
You have to think of his opponents though if he started from the bottom. He would absolutley murder them. Brock was put against guys in his own league. His league just happened to be at the top.

And now he's created his own league with possibly imo only Shane Carwin is a member of. Can't see Velasquez posing much of a threat. The supposed big boys in Couture/Mir have already been dominated by Brock.

Very true, but it would have sure been fun if he had dominated all previous heavy weights

Brock no doubt after the last fight is in his own league, but Mir/Shane/Cain easily deserve to be fighting him and it can still go either way imo.

Looks like ufc 119 for September 25th is being preped for Brock vs Cain.

booyaka · 7 Jul 2010 at 10:43

HighlandeR said:
Looks like ufc 119 for September 25th is being preped for Brock vs Cain.

It was announced on July 5th that, health permitting, UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar will be defending his title against Cain Velasquez at this event.[3] It was announced one day later the fight will not take place at this event and will be rescheduled to a later date because Lesnar is medically suspended until August 18 which means no training until then.[4]

The event drew no indefinite suspensions and most fighters escaped with minor injuries.

The full list of medical suspensions includes:
Krzysztof Soszynski: must have his left thumb cleared by doctor or suspended until Dec. 31; minimum suspension runs until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18
Chris Tuchscherer: must have left ear cleared by ear, nose and throat doctor or suspended until Dec. 31; minimum suspension runs until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18 for right cheek laceration
Seth Petruzelli: must have right elbow strain cleared by orthopedic doctor or suspended until Dec. 31; minimum suspension runs until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18.
Kurt Pellegrino: must have his left knee cleared with orthopedic doctor or suspended until Dec. 31; minimum suspension runs until Aug. 18 with no contact until Aug. 3
Ricardo Romero: must have broken left lower jaw cleared by oral, maxillary facial surgeon or suspended until Dec. 31; minimum suspension runs until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18.
Shane Carwin: suspended until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18
Dave Branch: suspended until Sept. 2 with no contact until Aug. 18
Brock Lesnar: suspended until Aug. 18 with no contact until Aug. 3 for right eyelid and left eyebrow lacerations
Yoshihiro Akiyama: suspended until Aug. 18 with no contact until Aug. 3 for "tough fight"
Stephan Bonnar: suspended until Aug. 18 with no contact until Aug. 3 for facial lacerations
Chris Leben: suspended until Aug. 3 with no contact until July 25 for "tough fight"

Makaveli · 7 Jul 2010 at 21:10

sanaxe1 said:
I don't agree with this. He did not get put into the top rankings to quick, you know how i know this? Because he is the champion. If he would have lost all his fights then you could argue that it wasn't fair as he obviously wasn't good enough. Your skill is not a reflection of the rankings but the rankings are a reflection of your skill. Some people have to start from the bottom others have the skill to start at the top.

Also as for how much he gets paid is due to the amount of PPV buys his stardom attracts. Its the same in any other sport.

UFC 115 : got 400,000 PPV buys
UFC 116 : we will find out in a few days but the number is supposed to be the biggest yet with around 2million.

Agree ^^^

Its not as if the heavyweight division was bursting with talent. Looks good for the future fights. Plus Brock is an exceptional athlete and world class wrestler, great base for MMA.

Shame Karlos lost.. he'll come back stronger

Makaveli · 7 Jul 2010 at 21:16

peterattheboro said:
I don't think anyone could beat Brock at the moment. My money was on Carwin beating him but that never happened. I see Brock going on a nice winning streak now.

The UFC need to sign Alistair Overeem ASAP.. he'd make Brock do the chicken dance. As big as Brock, I'd bet he's stronger than Brock too.. has K1 level striking and is an awesome submission specialist.

Morba · 7 Jul 2010 at 21:17

Brock brings the fans, he'll be rewarded for it.

As for not earning his way???
I'd feel sorry for the lesser heavies having to take a beating from brock just so he can climb the ladder!

^TANK^ · 7 Jul 2010 at 21:34

Makaveli said:
The UFC need to sign Alistair Overeem ASAP.. he'd make Brock do the chicken dance. As big as Brock, I'd bet he's stronger than Brock too.. has K1 level striking and is an awesome submission specialist.

Well Overeem is certainly mixing in the right circles

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Makaveli · 7 Jul 2010 at 22:06

^TANK^ said:
Well Overeem is certainly mixing in the right circles .

yep, sticking point might be UFC wanting full exclusivity. I'd hate for Overeem not be able to fight in the K1 GP's..

The IPB · 7 Jul 2010 at 22:45

Makaveli said:
The UFC need to sign Alistair Overeem ASAP.. he'd make Brock do the chicken dance. As big as Brock, I'd bet he's stronger than Brock too.. has K1 level striking and is an awesome submission specialist.

Hhahahah that's the first time I have heard Overeem called and submissions specialist. Funny guy.

Makaveli · 7 Jul 2010 at 23:12

Dkore-DeX said:
Hhahahah that's the first time I have heard Overeem called and submissions specialist. Funny guy.

Well I suppose you had to have followed MMA and submission grappling longer than a couple of years to know this and not a johnny come lately. He was a ADDC european champion and with 19 wins out of 33 mma fights coming via submissions, yeah he's a bit handy at submissions.

The IPB · 7 Jul 2010 at 23:21

I have been watching MMA for more than a few years thankyou, and I am well aware of his grappling credentials, but he is not a submission master.

He has a good top game, no doubt not denying it, and he loves guillotines. But his guard game is non existant, check he has no triangle wins, and only a handful of armbars.

Against a wrestler like Brock, he will be on his back at some point, and his guard game isn't good enough to be a problem for Brock. If Mirs guard game got smashed by him, Overeem's has no chance.

Matt hughes has 19 submissions in 44 wins, but he again is not a submission specialist....

HighlandeR · 7 Jul 2010 at 23:37

Oh no im gutted by that news, looks like no brock for September against Cain, maybe for late October or November?

rypt · 8 Jul 2010 at 01:09

Makaveli said:
yep, sticking point might be UFC wanting full exclusivity. I'd hate for Overeem not be able to fight in the K1 GP's..

K1 can be pretty awesome, Dynamite rocked

Smit · 8 Jul 2010 at 03:35

Dkore-DeX said:
I have been watching MMA for more than a few years thankyou, and I am well aware of his grappling credentials, but he is not a submission master.

He has a good top game, no doubt not denying it, and he loves guillotines. But his guard game is non existant, check he has no triangle wins, and only a handful of armbars.

Against a wrestler like Brock, he will be on his back at some point, and his guard game isn't good enough to be a problem for Brock. If Mirs guard game got smashed by him, Overeem's has no chance.

Matt hughes has 19 submissions in 44 wins, but he again is not a submission specialist....

I fully agree with this, on their feet Overeem has a huge advantage but if it ended up on the ground with Brock on top then I wouldn't favour Overeem getting out of it.