Disable people and housing.

I would be interested on how much money a disabled person would get,

Just a quick look at disability allowance using both "components" and at the higher rates it comes to £6305 per year, Then registered Disable people get there housing benefit so have to pay very little if any rent, Council tax benefit plus the car scheme, It also looks like if you cannot work because of this then you also get employment and support allowances which is another £3000 a year at the higher rate

now i am not sure what this would all amount to over a year and would depend on circumstances but i can now see why people stay on any benefit's and why a lot of unemployed people try and a lot succeed getting registered disabled, it's just not worth there while working.
 
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Colbaker said:
I would be interested on how much money a disabled person would get,

Just a quick look at disability allowance using both "components" and at the higher rates it comes to £6305 per year, Then registered Disable people get there housing benefit so have to pay very little if any rent, Council tax benefit plus the car scheme, It also looks like if you cannot work because of this then you also get employment and support allowances which is another £3000 a year at the higher rate

now i am not sure what this would all amount to over a year and would depend on circumstances but i can now see why people stay on any benefit's and why a lot of unemployed people try and a lot succeed getting registered disabled, it's just not worth there while working.
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I can't pick apart your post fully, but will say that the 'car benefit' (I.e Motability) comes out of the higher-rate DLA allowance. It's not separate. To be specific you'll lose £50 per week (roughly £2600 per annum).
You seem to also conveniently ignore that being disabled generally means cost of living is higher (heating, consumables etc)and living on benefits doesn't give you some magical amazing lifestyle, I'm staggered that people think this.
 
robbiemc said:
I can't pick apart your post fully, but will say that the 'car benefit' (I.e Motability) comes out of the higher-rate DLA allowance. It's not separate. To be specific you'll lose £50 per week (roughly £2600 per annum).
You seem to also conveniently ignore that being disabled generally means cost of living is higher (heating, consumables etc)and living on benefits doesn't give you some magical amazing lifestyle, I'm staggered that people think this.
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It was only a quick scan through the .gov website but as i said it depends on the individual case.

All i am saying is life can't be all that bad or less people would be on benefits, I am aware there are genuine people who are unable to work but i wonder if it is the minority as opposed to the majority, This is for all sorts of benefits not just disability.

It needs more stringent testing for all types of benefit, It needs to be made so people who truly can work want to work because being on benefits is a hardship, and for the truly ill people who really cannot work then i think it would be fair to make sure they are comfortable, Even if this meant spreading the benefits so those more deserving get more money and those who can work get less hopefully then pushing them into finding some sort of work.
 
Colbaker said:
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All i am saying is life can't be all that bad or less people would be on benefits, I am aware there are genuine people who are unable to work but i wonder if it is the minority as opposed to the majority, This is for all sorts of benefits not just disability.

It needs more stringent testing for all types of benefit, It needs to be made so people who truly can work want to work because being on benefits is a hardship, and for the truly ill people who really cannot work then i think it would be fair to make sure they are comfortable, Even if this meant spreading the benefits so those more deserving get more money and those who can work get less hopefully then pushing them into finding some sort of work.
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I did post previously that it's not as simple as 'being too sick to work'. If you're disabled you are (by definition) not able to do everything an able-bodied person can do, this obviously extends to the working environment.
Imagine you're low skilled and use a wheelchair - now imagine how that will restrict what jobs you can physically do.
Now imagine that of all the jobs you'er able to do, some may not have access or facilities (stairs or no disabled toilet for example).
Add to that employer prejudices and the general lack of jobs available and it becomes a real problem for disabled people are wanting to work.
 
robbiemc said:
I did post previously that it's not as simple as 'being too sick to work'. If you're disabled you are (by definition) not able to do everything an able-bodied person can do, this obviously extends to the working environment.
Imagine you're low skilled and use a wheelchair - now imagine how that will restrict what jobs you can physically do.
Now imagine that of all the jobs you'er able to do, some may not have access or facilities (stairs or no disabled toilet for example).
Add to that employer prejudices and the general lack of jobs available and it becomes a real problem for disabled people are wanting to work.
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If you look hard enough you can find work, I know a few disabled people who found work relatively easily and are loving it, People who have been on the dole for a long time and are unskilled also have a problem finding employment but it does not mean they stop (I am not talking about dole bludgers), If i interviewed a disabled person i would not look at there disability i would look to see if they were capable of doing the job, I may even choose them above an abled body person due to the fact that they are seeking employment when they could just claim benefits for the rest of their lives.
 
Colbaker said:
If you look hard enough you can find work
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I couldn't. I was 24 when I got RA and have been through the Jobcentre 'mill' FOUR times. Every job broker etc said they would be able to find me work but they couldn't because of the variable nature of my RA. In the end I have taught myself to write and am slowly putting together a portfolio of work in the hope of being paid for it.

Not everyone is as lucky as me to have skills that might allow them to work for themselves, from home.

Also, your breakdown of what a disabled person might get is laughable. The sheer quality of life for someone on all those benefits would be uncomfortable enough that they can anything they want if you ask me.

I'm a young diabled person with a teacher for a wife. Our income is just about okay. The ONLY thing I get is DLA at £245 a month or thereabouts. NOTHING else.
 
Completely agee with Forde yet again.

Why is it always the most vulnerable that are the targets all the time. What about people claiming dole money and housing benefit then working too for cash in hand. And then of course we have the foreigners who claim for this, that and the other including any kids they have back at home (who probably do not exist anyway) all these people are never mentioned.

They say you can judge a country on how it treats it's most vulnerable .. Enough said.

Colbaker you will never truly understand unless you become disabled yourself. You will quickly learn that having a disabilitiy isn't your worst enemy. I used to think along the same lines as you but one day in 1996 i got the biggest wake up call ever.
 
Here's a good one you'll all love.
My cousin Carl is 2 years older than me (54) and he has NEVER had a proper job in his life.
He's done everything but always for backhanders and he's lived off benefits.
Around 1990 (rough guess) he decided to leave his wife & 3 kids and moved out to Spain where he taught people to water ski and such things.
He became a hypnotist and then had that job in a bar where you do everything (DJ, bingo, karaoke etc) and about 7 years later he became a Spanish national (!).
One morning he got blown up, a LPG tank had leaked all night and he lit a fag.
I reported on the incident here and thought I'd be bringing him home dead - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17533905&highlight=cousin+startername_dmpoole

After about 3 months he came back to England where his daughter who hadn't seen him since she was about 4 looked after him and then he started to claim.
Remember this is a guy who had at least 66% 3rd degree burns and was in a right mess but if you had a camcorder on him from a distance you wouldn't know there was anything wrong.
I have only got his word for this so I could be shot down but this is what he gets -
£170 a week
A car (he says he contributes through other benefits)
A house

He was told that all he has to do to get these 3 items is to live in this country 2 months a year and the other 10 months he lives in Alcudia.
Like I said, this is a bloke who has virtually never paid into the system (he was a sailor for 2 years).
 
dmpoole said:
Here's a good one you'll all love.
My cousin Carl is 2 years older than me (54) and he has NEVER had a proper job in his life.
He's done everything but always for backhanders and he's lived off benefits.
Around 1990 (rough guess) he decided to leave his wife & 3 kids and moved out to Spain where he taught people to water ski and such things.
He became a hypnotist and then had that job in a bar where you do everything (DJ, bingo, karaoke etc) and about 7 years later he became a Spanish national (!).
One morning he got blown up, a LPG tank had leaked all night and he lit a fag.
I reported on the incident here and thought I'd be bringing him home dead - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17533905&highlight=cousin+startername_dmpoole

After about 3 months he came back to England where his daughter who hadn't seen him since she was about 4 looked after him and then he started to claim.
Remember this is a guy who had at least 66% 3rd degree burns and was in a right mess but if you had a camcorder on him from a distance you wouldn't know there was anything wrong.
I have only got his word for this so I could be shot down but this is what he gets -
£170 a week
A car (he says he contributes through other benefits)
A house

He was told that all he has to do to get these 3 items is to live in this country 2 months a year and the other 10 months he lives in Alcudia.
Like I said, this is a bloke who has virtually never paid into the system (he was a sailor for 2 years).
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This is the sort of person i am talking about, These people should not be getting away with this, It happens to often in all aspect of the benefits system.
 
I can understand the frustration the op and others feel, although there is a lot of ignorance surrounding disability benefits, i'm fairly lucky in that I can live at home, so i don't claim housing benefit, council tax etc, just DLA and Incapacity benefit which works out at £173 per week + Blue badge.

Claiming dissability benefits isn't as easy as people think, you need statements from doctors with clear evidence. Also, the forms are extremely long and complex, the questions are obviously very personal (I find it hard answering them truthfully as I always play down difficulties). For most though it isn't really about the money, its about quality of life which is almost impossible to judge except by the individual.

Some people may be able to work but the impact on employment on quality of life and also the employer especially if a lot of extra help is required and reguler absences, for many those problems would make it impossible to work, afterall, who would employ someone like that? especially in todays world with huge unemployment. It does seem though that the government is going to target this group as it's populer, afterall people hate the idea of others being given something for free when they are struggling which is understandable to some extent.
 
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