Ragazzon Exhaust Review

The old one looked fine because it wasn't actually visible. The new one would have looked fine if he installed it properly by modifying the bumper (or buying/fitting the higher trim-level rear bumper that has the cut-out).

But at the moment it just looks like a silly afterthought tacked onto the car. Anyone that comes up behind that car is going to think "hang on, that exhaust is clearly not standard because Fiat would have put a nice little cut-out in the bumper for it".

Apart from the shoddy welds, that's all that's wrong with it. It could look just fine if installed properly. And if it's definitely not a urban hindrance noise that it produces then I don't see a problem with it!

If I was keeping the car I'd have installed it how they suggested. I got the exhaust at a very good price and saw it as a way of testing the water with exhausts for future cars.

Would removing the tail pipe bit mean I'd lose any of the sound or anything?
 
Seems OK to me, although having the exhaust (std or not) dangling largely below the bumper and not in some nice fitted recess makes it look awkward anyway.

Nice little car you have there, 180+BHP sounds like a pretty decent Hothatch rival.. Is it reasonably capable to drive? The Stilo was the last Fiat I drove, and it really was quite un-entertaining, being one of the most remote feeling and awkward handling cars I've been in for a while..
 
Sorry, but it looked much better before you stuck the huge oval on. Your car (as does mine) has the type of rear bumper that doesn't suit having an exhaust showing.

I can't beleive you were concerned with looking and sounding chavvy, and you've ended up with that. :p
 
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The old one looked fine because it wasn't actually visible. The new one would have looked fine if he installed it properly by modifying the bumper (or buying/fitting the higher trim-level rear bumper that has the cut-out).

But at the moment it just looks like a silly afterthought tacked onto the car. Anyone that comes up behind that car is going to think "hang on, that exhaust is clearly not standard because Fiat would have put a nice little cut-out in the bumper for it".

Apart from the shoddy welds, that's all that's wrong with it. It could look just fine if installed properly. And if it's definitely not a urban hindrance noise that it produces (because nobody expects a Fiat Bravo to sound like a sports car) then I don't see a problem with it!

Agreed for the most part.


Not going to labour the point as it borders on pedantry but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

Would removing the tail pipe bit mean I'd lose any of the sound or anything?

If you are happy with how it looks bud - just leave it how it is.

Spend the money instead on some mudflaps so that closely pursuing jap cars don't get stoned in the windscreen :p:p:D
 
Nice little car you have there, 180+BHP sounds like a pretty decent Hothatch rival.. Is it reasonably capable to drive?

I recently had new tyres and brakes fitted which really helped, the car came with a set of ditch finders which struggled putting the power down. The new tyres have no problems and the car is very capable.

Through the gears I've been slightly quicker than a standard Focus ST, 0-60 is just under 7 seconds now and from 5mph up to 70mph I lost very little ground against a Golf R32. The first gear is a bit pants but 2nd, 3rd and 4th really pull and when you consider the Golf is about the same weight but with a 3.2litre V6 and I have a 1.4 4pot I'm happy that the Golf hasn't wiped the floor with me.

I can't beleive you were concerned with looking and sounding chavvy, and you've ended up with that. :p

I'd forgotten you'd heard it and seen it in real life. It doesn't sound chavy or loud and from a car behind it looks fine.

Spend the money instead on some mudflaps so that closely pursuing jap cars don't get stoned in the windscreen :p:p:D

Why should I have to spend money because these louts in there bigger cars want to stick 2cm away from me with cheap clingfilm windscreens :mad:

Have you had it replaced yet btw?
 
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You would assume that, doesn't mean it's true, I want dyno results.

Would like to re-iterate the electronic control, the turbo has a target manifold pressure to hit, any advantages without another re-map will be in less pumping losses to drive the turbo, not more boost.

If you think that you don't know how a turbo works.

The turbine torque is created by a pressure differential across the turbine which then drives the compressor for manifold 'boost'

If you lower the post turbine pressure then you see more torque at the compressor shaft at lower gas flow rates, ergo rpm. Therefore you may see an earlier boost threshold. A simple speed density map ECU will easily cope with that as it looks at its load tables for spark and fuel.

Power then may be added for the same boost as by removing post turbine pressure the pre turbine (exhaust manifold) pressure is lower (pressure ratio remember) and the engine has an easier job getting rid of exhaust residuals and hence VE goes up, with most cars running a little rich this extra air will usually add decent amount more power without extra fuel.

That said a backbox is unlikely to make much difference when you have an OEM cat, ie choke chamber where all the air will stall and slow regardless of whats happening downspeed.
 
In your opinion.
Of course.
Not sure how you can make sure claims from a few quick photos taken as it was installed and having not heard it.
Well, you took quite a few pictures from lot of angles.

I had a stainless exhaust fitted to my Fiat many moons ago. Although that was the same size all the way through, not just a big tip on the end of on it. It suited the car though. Was a pain to keep clean though.

I'd feel a bit of a knob with something like that hanging out the back of my fiesta.

cleanexhaust2.jpg
 
My car isn't a Fiesta either though, it's as quick or nearly as quick as the last generation of hot hatches (Mk5 Golf GTi, Focus ST, Civic Type R etc...).
Whats speed got to do with styling? Its a Bravo in standard trim - as is my fiesta. And they have very similar rear end styling.

Anyway - its only my opinion. If you're happy with it, then thats all that counts.

Ahh, I miss my coupe (well, apart from the damn manifold.)
 
My car isn't a Fiesta either though, it's as quick or nearly as quick as the last generation of hot hatches (Mk5 Golf GTi, Focus ST, Civic Type R etc...).

Wha???

You're misreading your dyno graph totally. You don't read the 179.9 and then assume your car has 180 bhp.

You take the 180, subtract the previous of 165, which gives you the difference... of 15 bhp. Then you take the stock figure of the car (~148 bhp) and add your 15 bhp to it. Which gives ~163 bhp. Lets assume the exhaust gives 5 bhp.. so ballpark figure for your car is around 168 bhp. Tops.

Your car is in the 'just below a' Renaultsport Clio sort of performance range. But those cars have wider rims, tyres and proper suspension... so they will get off the line quicker anyway.
 
Why should I have to spend money because these louts in there bigger cars want to stick 2cm away from me with cheap clingfilm windscreens :mad:

Have you had it replaced yet btw?

Ouch! No I haven't replaced it yet - as I said to you at the time, already had a chip in it and they don't really bother me - so will wait until MOT time.

That and I can see it being a pain getting hold of a windscreen for a 7 even though it should be no different from an 8 or 9.

So basically I prefer to just moan about it every time I see you post on here :D
 
Wha???

You're misreading your dyno graph totally. You don't read the 179.9 and then assume your car has 180 bhp.

You take the 180, subtract the previous of 165, which gives you the difference... of 15 bhp. Then you take the stock figure of the car (~148 bhp) and add your 15 bhp to it. Which gives ~163 bhp. Lets assume the exhaust gives 5 bhp.. so ballpark figure for your car is around 168 bhp. Tops.

Your car is in the 'just below a' Renaultsport Clio sort of performance range. But those cars have wider rims, tyres and proper suspension... so they will get off the line quicker anyway.

The stock figure for the 1.4 Tjet is 148bhp, however most that are put on RR's come a little over that. The engine was originally running 165bhp and is now running 180bhp.

I got 180bhp at Powerstation only a few months ago in front of a quite a few people on this forum.

 
Rolling roads are for measuring power difference. They're useless at measuring, accurately, a snapshot of any given engine's power.

They're so inaccurate that even just inflating your tyres to 40psi will give you a BHP increase on their graphs.


But hey, I fully expect that you'll ignore all of what I've said. Because blinding yourself into believing that your car produces far more power than it actually does is far cooler. Nothing wrong with that - but just don't expect it to wash with people that know some basic pistonhead knowledge :)
 
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