Who killed jesus?

Davepen said:
Cant you just talk about the universe or the source of all creation while high rather some semi fictional character? :P
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I don't think Jesus was fictional tbh, I do not believe he was ''the son of god'' either. imo probably just some do good prophet with a bunch of followers. Not everything in the bible is a lie I think. The old bits are however of course ( like genesis). The later parts are very twisted&inaccurate but based on reality originally I think.
 
anant_shah94 said:
Oh my god (No pun intended :( )

Jesus was Jewish. He was betrayed by one of his followers (Judas). The Roman army then crucified him. Christianity didn't exist for a few hundred years after that.

EDIT: there is a very VERY simple way to end the argument between you and your friends: just get a bible and read it!!
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Not a good argument, considering that the only testable statement you made is wrong.

Christianity definitely existed before the end of the first century, i.e. less than 70 years after Jesus' death. There are unequivocal Roman references to it from that time. I suppose it's possible that Christians later faked them, but I doubt it because some of them are extremely critical of Christianity and faking them after Christianity had already gained great power would have been pointless.

The alleged sequence of events (which has no supporting evidence at all) is as follows:

Jesus is born. He's a Jew, born in Judea, raised in the Jewish faith.

The single solitary reference to him before ~30 portrays him as a devout Jew who, despite only being 12, impresses Jewish clerics with his piety and knowledge of the religion.

Aged ~30, he has a revelation and starts preaching radical reform to Judaism. His message is popular and starts to split Judaism into Jews who agree with his reform and Jews who don't.

The growing split causes civil unrest. Judea is a notoriously troublesome province in the Roman empire and a very high priority for Roman officials is to stop any potential trouble as soon as possible, before it becomes another riot and attempted revolt. One thing they do, as they did everywhere, was pay some attention to local leaders. It helps the empire run more smoothly.

Some of the traditionalist Jews, who really don't like the reforms and rightly see them as a threat, are the local leaders. They point to Jesus' preaching as a problem for Rome. It's promoting dissent and dissent promotes revolt. There are also some indications of Jesus in some way backing a revolt anyway, maybe. King of the Jews and all that - it's going to clash with Judea being a province of the Roman empire. Better if he's killed, right?

Pontius Pilate is the Roman in charge of the area at the time. He's not an idiot, so he realises he has a choice of bad decisions. Kill him or don't, either way's going to be bad news. He decides to kill him.

Going back to the OP....BC is before Jesus' birth, A.D. is after his birth. Not his death.

Although the dating is wrong due to a mistake made by a Christian cleric centuries later. Oops. Jesus was born before 1AD, probably 6-9 BC.

But the only source is the stuff written down 300 years later as the approved version of the approved documents of the council of Nicea, which became known as the new testament and was written specifically to help Christianity take over the Roman empire. There's nothing else. So we don't really know what happened.
 
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Squark said:
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There is historical evidence that a man named Jesus lived, that cannot be questioned. You choose to accept his divinity or not.
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Not quite - there's no way he could have been called by an Anglicised version of a Greek name, which is what 'Jesus' is.

Also, there is some wiggle room because there's historical evidence that decades later Christians believed that the man existed. That's not the same as historical evidence that he existed.
 
v0n said:
Jeshua was Aramean from Galilee, born from parents of Nazarene descent. For the purpose of social profile, popular belief that he was de facto Jewish is about as precise as most Americans presuming Bono is British. Geographically or geopolitically, he was about as Jewish as Sean Connery is English and in terms of language and communication background, his assumed ethnic accent would be to Hebrew, what Fabio Capello does is to Queen's English.

He was killed by Jews.

Not that we actually have a proper proof for any of the above, beyond few stories by his mates.
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The Aramaeans live during the Bronze and Iron age. Their language remained until the Islamic conquests during the 7th Century. Jesus was not an Aramaean, he was a Judaean, and a Semite. In fact the ancient Aramaeans were also Semites and Aramaean simply one of a group of semitic languages which included Hebrew and Pheonician.

The Talmud is mainly written in Aramaic.

So Jesus in all likelihood was Jewish and he was crucified by the Romans under the orders of Pontius Pilate, the Roman Prefect of Judaea.
 
Guest2 said:
"who killed Jesus"
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simples.......no one, as he never existed in the first place.
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Aids killed Jesus.

All he talks about in the Bible are his 12 disciples (sp?). No mention of a woman in his life.

He spent most of his life with a penis up both ends tbh.

That is assuming he wasn't fictional of course.
 
To be honest I think the more worrying thing is that the OP working out what AD and BC mean and working out who killed Jesus is what is considered "deep".
 
RDM said:
To be honest I think the more worrying thing is that the OP working out what AD and BC mean and working out who killed Jesus is what is considered "deep".
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For much of todays youth, successfully stringing together some sentences is considered "deep", irrespective of the actual subject matter. :)
 
The Jews wanted Jesus dead, so they got the Romans to do it.

Just like today, the Jews want the Muslims dead, so they're getting the Christians (US, UK) to do it.
 
Just to throw something else in to the mix...

Approx 600 years after the time of Jesus (may peace be upon him) the Quran was revealed declaring that he was never killed. Instead, that he was raised up and that he is 'a sign of the hour', ie. must return one day and then he will die a natural death.

Islam says that a prophet was set to every nation. Jesus (pbuh) was the Messiah, sent to the jews. It also says in the Bible that he himself said ' "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." The jews however rejected him and attempted to slay him then boasted in arrogance when they thought they had done so.

At that point in time the jews were waiting for the messiah, and do you know that even today, the jews are waiting for their messiah? When they thought they had killed Jesus (pbuh) they were even more convinced that he was an imposter because he had not fulfilled what their scripture said he would:

1- Rid the holy land of non jews
2- Create a jewish state in the holy land
3- Return the jews to the holy land
4- Rule the world from the holy land

At the time, the holy land was under Roman occupation. However, bizarrely numbers 1 to 3 have all happened within the past 100 years. Whilst most the world has been deceived by the life of this world, all the events which we have been foretold about are happening in the holy land and yet we live in the age of huge religious ignorance, and it is without any doubt that most of mankind (including muslims) are going to be deceived by the events that are, and those that will unfold in the middle east.

Power is returning to the holy land once more people, to the imposter state of Israel.
 
Pixel said:
The Jews wanted Jesus dead, so they got the Romans to do it.

Just like today, the Jews want the Muslims dead, so they're getting the Christians (US, UK) to do it.
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No, they're getting the West to do it. This country is not a Christian country, neither is the US. Let's not kid ourselves.

The predominant national religion is Christianity, a minor percentage of the populace subscribes to Christianity in its true form.

You could argue the point as to who actually killed him until you are blue in the face. It could be the Romans, the Jews, Jesus by letting himself die to rise again (and therefore did not die, depending on what you believe), Judas, Potius Pilate etc. etc.
 
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