Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

matthewhotdude · 24 Jul 2010 at 19:23

G|mp said:
I frequent the area from time to time yes.

You should come to Wolves, there's loads of cockknockers.

I'm always in Wolves when I have a night out....wouldnt dare around here......everyone seems to have done everyone around here...the sooner I move away the better

PMKeates · 24 Jul 2010 at 19:38

matthewhotdude said:
I'm always in Wolves when I have a night out....wouldnt dare around here......everyone seems to have done everyone around here...the sooner I move away the better

Move to London. Soho (and Vauxhall) tbh.

Captain_Slick · 24 Jul 2010 at 19:43

Eugh. Scene gays.

matthewhotdude · 24 Jul 2010 at 19:45

Captain_Slick said:
Eugh. Scene gays.

Not often, there is only so much bitching I can take

hurfdurf · 24 Jul 2010 at 22:31

[TW]Fox;17012264 said:
Can we have that again but without any US links?

Nope, ill stand and bang all day every day but everything I post is off the top of my head, I studied American society in my second year of University, it correlates strongly with British society in many many ways. Our history of slavery and the resulting economic impact it has on current British black society is one of the main ones.

Hikari Kisugi said:
I am utterly bewildered by your post hurfdurf.
Why are you linking single paper studies from 7-8 years ago in the USA?
Research, studies, 'facts'?
How do you think this correlates to a modern Britian? A place where a Catholic still can't be Prime Minister.

Are you trying to tell us America is racist? Seriously? Like we don't know that. Most countries in the world are racist, and homophobic, and xenophobic. As humans we discriminate against that which is not-self. It is part of what makes us human. We shouldn't but we do, and I bet everyone here has discrimiated in some fashion in their life, be it an action, a word, or merely a thought. Even the bleeding hearts do, when they can't comprehend of someone can't follow their logic and love everyone as they do.

I was asked how Black people are discriminated when I pointed out they were at a disadvantage in many of the same ways homosexuals are, and therefore deserving of special attention or affirmative action, such as having Gay Pride and Black History month when white people dont get a "White history month" (because its all year round). I gave some quick examples off the top of my head. You are more than welcome to say "America is the polar opposite of Britain when it comes to racism", but that simply isn't true.

Saying that everyone suffers racism or discrimination is a bit silly because if we are all discriminatory, the majority are going to be doing the discriminating against the minorities a hell of a lot more often based on the sheer population make up.

Your final rant about bleeding hearts was hilarious, thank you, its that kind of thing why I only stand and bang and dont put in effort in GD, its simply not worth it with the level of posting being made.

Tefal · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:05

Davies_M said:
Mlarr off you troll.

I'm wondering if homosexual men become slightly attracted to women when their menstruating, I think that's true, when a woman is menstruating, men find them more attractive...(or rather a certain part of them becomes happier easier)

I suppose you can't really know if she is menstruating unless you ask!

did davies get suspended for this? :confused:

Castiel · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:06

hurfdurf said:
Nope, ill stand and bang all day every day but everything I post is off the top of my head, I studied American society in my second year of University, it correlates strongly with British society in many many ways. Our history of slavery and the resulting economic impact it has on current British black society is one of the main ones.

Nope, The civil rights and slavery issues of the United States do not corellate with the UK or even the British Empire of the past either.

British society is far more tolerant historically when compared to the United States. Institutional racism is nowhere near the same problem in this country.

US slavery, racism and it's associated civil rights movement and affirmative action has little or no bearing on the UK. We neither share the same demographic or political/social system which encouraged apartheid and segregation with the United States, so TW[Fox] has a valid point, show us how it relates to the UK or find some research that is actually valid.

hurfdurf · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:30

Robboftw said:
I dont really think you have a point.

This thread is pretty much yet another 'Look at me, I'm gay, dont be hatin' situation that a lot of gay people love to put themselves in for attention.

Its worked though, I'll give you that.

Captain_Slick said:
Considering some of the responses to this thread, it's pretty clear that he does have a point.

There is a reason this thread exists, homophobia on this forum is prevalent and whilst its acceptable to an awful lot of people, so was racism way back when. If it was my forum I would be worried that the sometimes very offensive posts that are posted here that cross the line into racism or homophobia but aren't directly offensive, noticed, understood or cared about in some way was driving customers away from my business based on the negative publicity it generates.

hurfdurf · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:41

Castiel said:
Nope, The civil rights and slavery issues of the United States do not corellate with the UK or even the British Empire of the past either.

British society is far more tolerant historically when compared to the United States. Institutional racism is nowhere near the same problem in this country.

Were their lots and lots of slaves bought into this country? Did we invent concentration camps long before the Nazi's? Was the British Empire built on dominating and enslaving other nations? We became more tolerant and at a faster rate, but we had a lot longer at committing atrocities than America ever did being such a young country. Just look how the poor/peasants were treated, let alone the Irish during the 1800's.

Tefal · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:43

Unless the average Briton is two hundred and thirty years old it's not really relevant is it?

matthewhotdude · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:45

Tefal said:
did davies get suspended for this?

There was more to it, some posts got deleted (I wasnt involved btw)

hurfdurf · 24 Jul 2010 at 23:58

Tefal said:
Unless the average Briton is two hundred and thirty years old it's not really relevant is it?

It matters a great deal. See my original post as to why for examples in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRh3...eature=related - American based but shows how history has given white people massive advantages that has trickled down, still massively affecting us.

There are people living off of wealth originally granted to their great great great great great grandparents today that they got simply for being white and able to earn a wage in comparison to being a slave.

Castiel · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:01

hurfdurf said:
Were their lots and lots of slaves bought into this country? Did we invent concentration camps long before the Nazi's? Was the British Empire built on dominating and enslaving other nations? We became more tolerant and at a faster rate, but we had a lot longer at committing atrocities than America ever did being such a young country. Just look how the poor/peasants were treated, let alone the Irish during the 1800's.

No we did not bring any slaves into this Country at all. We traded slaves throughout the world, but owning slaves on mainland Britain was illegal. Also slavery was not the predominant economic source of wealth within the British Empire.

Concentration camps in South Africa had little or nothing to do with Slavery and everything to do with warfare and the confinement of civilians during a scorched earth operation during the second Boer War. They have no relation to Nazi death camps.

You made a claim that the socio/economic situation in the USA is comparable to that of the UK in relation to the studies you posted. It is not.

Tefal · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:06

hurfdurf said:
There are people living off of wealth originally granted to their great great great great great grandparents today that they got simply for being white and able to earn a wage in comparison to being a slave.

That's not true is it, if they made that much of a fortune it wasn't just by being white it was by being very good at business and finance, other wise every white person would now be rich.

Castiel · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:16

hurfdurf said:
It matters a great deal. See my original post as to why for examples in America.

Which have little or no nearing on the UK.

hurfdurf said:
There are people living off of wealth originally granted to their great great great great great grandparents today that they got simply for being white and able to earn a wage in comparison to being a slave.

In the UK, slavery was not the primary way of making money. Again United States examples have no bearing on the UK.

hurfdurf · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:27

Straight white people in this thread arguing that racism is not an issue any more and homophobia is no big deal, colour me surprised. I was happy to stand and bang but im not putting any effort into disputing facts.

At this point you are claiming that our history has nothing to do with how people are treated today or their economic situation, it is bizarre and not worth attempting to debate at such a low, ignorant level.

"Never argue with an idiot, they will just bring you down to their level and beat you with experiance"

hurfdurf · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:30

Castiel said:
Which have little or no nearing on the UK.

In the UK, slavery was not the primary way of making money. Again United States examples have no bearing on the UK.

You are ignoring 90% of the similarities and pointing out that our tiny differences mean that there is no link. Bristol was built on the slave trade yet slavery wasn't an issue for black people in Britain? OK.

stulid · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:32

because its fun to take the **** out of the gays.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:45

hurfdurf said:
You are ignoring 90% of the similarities and pointing out that our tiny differences mean that there is no link. Bristol was built on the slave trade yet slavery wasn't an issue for black people in Britain? OK.

It was not an issue in the lifetime of anybody in the country now. Why does it matter anymore? None of us have personally experienced it no matter what colour we are. It's history and nothing more. It took several centuries ago!

Castiel · 25 Jul 2010 at 00:45

hurfdurf said:
You are ignoring 90% of the similarities and pointing out that our tiny differences mean that there is no link. Bristol was built on the slave trade yet slavery wasn't an issue for black people in Britain? OK.

Bristol was built on the sugar and tobacco trade, that they were linked to the triangular trade is irrelevent to the similarities in 20th Century Britain to that of the United States.

Bristol was actually created because of the saxon slave trade in English slaves, so is that also relevent to the subject at hand. I think not.

Being a Black citizen in the UK during the 20th Century has no similarity to being a Black citizen in the US during the same period so your examples refering to the US situation are irrelevent to the UK as TW[FOX] pointed out originally. If you want to get into a big discussion on the Slave Trade then start a thread, as you seem intent on either trying to equate a connection between Gay rights in the UK with that of Civil Rights in the US(which you can't) or are attempting to derail the thread.