No, no it doesn't.
GTA 4 worth it?
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No, no it doesn't.
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It does given how average the game looks. If you compare it to a game like Just Cause 2, that looks incredible and runs smoothly with no issues. GTA4 was just a lazy port.
Have to disagree here, Just Cause 2 is so much better than GTA4. The game runs better, looks better and is much more fun.
Just Cause 2 graphics are not better than GTA 4's lol................
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I used to think the same, at the end of the day I've found JC2 to be shallow now above anything else, yeah it looks nice and has a massive world, but there isn't any depth to the story, characters or world. You've got to have something under the surface.
Agree here, the game looked wonderful when I ran it on my 4870; upgrade to 2 5770's and I get murdered by micro stutter and all of a sudden that high speed bike ride weaving in and out of traffic is no fun any more.
Determined to but a new gfx card in September and pray that solves the issue
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Interesting, perhaps the problem lies with my 5970.
Still think Just Cause 2 graphics are way better than GTA4's (minus the stutter/fps issues of course).
VisualIV - Improves default lighting and visuals.
Car handling mod - Makes the handling bearable.
Traffic Felony - Makes police actually chase you if you jump red lights, drive on the wrong side of the road, smash into other cars etc. Personal preference really. Handling mod makes it easy to escape from the cops (speeds up cars).
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That's what I use, all work on the latest patch (1.0.7.0).
Car handling mod - Makes the handling bearable.
Traffic Felony - Makes police actually chase you if you jump red lights, drive on the wrong side of the road, smash into other cars etc. Personal preference really. Handling mod makes it easy to escape from the cops (speeds up cars).
Vehicles from Here
That's what I use, all work on the latest patch (1.0.7.0).
Cheers for those, been meaning to reinstall the game and play it again so will do so modded up, lost my save file before after getting onto the 3rd island
Do you know if there is a speedometer and petrol mod off hand? Can't really search gaming sites at work..
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Not as fun as previous GTAs - its more fun to drive around the city than play the actual game.
YesCheers for those, been meaning to reinstall the game and play it again so will do so modded up, lost my save file before after getting onto the 3rd island
Do you know if there is a speedometer and petrol mod off hand? Can't really search gaming sites at work..
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Petrol
I use the speedo mod, but never tried the petrol one.
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Mods are the best part of that game imo
Just wanted to bump this thread to express my disappointment with GTA4.
I'm about 25% in according to the in-game stats, and I'm now incredibly bored, and pretty frustrated too.
Every GTA to date has hooked me from beginning to end, starting from the original GTA which I played to death years ago.
There are lots of problems with GTA, and lots of reasons it's an inferior game to San Andreas (which is one of my all-time favourite games).
1. The cars aren't satisfying to drive. The sports cars don't seem fast, and the trucks are all incredibly slow (like 20mph slow). The physics are all wrong too. I've been driving an articulated truck and been pushed around by a small cop car (which is something like 1/8 the weight of the truck).
In a GTA game, where the car is the star, this is really a bad start. I had more fun driving in GTA 1 :/
2. The game is both too realistic, and too arcadey. It swings from one to the other, and seems unable to find a happy medium. Or a point which is fun.
In all previous GTA games, finding weapons and armour was pretty easy. Some were semi-hidden, but many were lying around down a back alley or under a bridge. Discovering weapons and armour was always an easy thing to do, so it didn't matter very much when you got busted and the cops took your stuff.
In GTA4, they've placed most of the weapons deep inside 5 storey buildings, or in really inaccessible out of the way places (like on rooftops - impossible to see from street level). Sure, this is realistic. You wouldn't have a machine gun abandoned in an alleyway. But boy is it TEDIOUS to find weapons. I don't even bother, it's that bad. When I lose a mission I just reload. It's just too aggravating to lose all your weapons in this game.
The protagonist will also die incredibly quickly to shotgun or rifle fire. I've lost count of the number of times I've been one-shot-killed running around a blind corner. The AI can pull off instant kill headshots just like you can. Realistic, sure, but also a pain in the ass.
Then, completely at the other end of the spectrum are the "arcadey" bits. Lots of missions are very tightly controlled/scripted; for example a car you're chasing isn't allowed to drive off before you're ready to chase it, or isn't allowed to get too far ahead of you... Many times the AI waits for you to catch up, and this completely breaks any sense of a "chase", and thus ruins the fun.
Also many of the car chases are 50% or more scripted. You replay the mission, and that lorry will pull out of the junction at exactly the same spot, two cars will collide at exactly the same spot; you'll have to swerve to avoid a lorry losing its load at exactly the same spot... What's annoying is that you can completely avoid these scripted challenges by simply following from a distance. The game always assumes you're right on the cars tail, so hanging back makes every scripted chase trivial.
3. GTA4 really wants to be a 3rd person shooter. SA had shooting, this is true. But by far the majority of the gameplay in every GTA to date has been driving/riding/flying... in vehicles! GTA4 wants you to use your vehicle just to drive to the next mission. Almost all the missions involve running around on foot shooting people (and being shot). I hate this. I want 90% vehicular homicide in my GTA, not 5%.
The game enforces the "get out and shoot" appoach by setting many missions either indoors, or in places where cars simply can't go. Building sites, etc. Sadly the on-foot combat is also pretty bad - the AI can shoot through solid objects in many places, and the cover system (WTH, cover system? Is this some GTA and Gears of War cross-over?) often has you "take cover" on the wrong side of an object, putting you completely in the line of fire and facing you in the wrong direction. Doh!
4. Loss of control. The game makes me automatically surrender to the cops. What!!!! How dare you! I'm in control of the character, but the game doesn't let me go out in a blaze of gunfire, it forces me to surrender. That's BS! In SA you could only be busting if you got knocked to the floor or pulled out of your car. And if you had a gun the cops wouldn't even try - they'd shoot you instead. But NB is such a pu-- infant cat-- that he just raises his hands and let the cops take him in. Bad show, Rockstar.
5. Far too many time wasters and annoyances. Like keeping your friends happy. Being forced to use in-game email and in-game internet browsing. Being forced to play really crappy mini-games like pool and darts. None of which is fun, because the mini-games themselves are so poor. It's initially impressive that they managed to cram so many mini games and sideshows in, until you realise that none of them are worth playing.
But sadly all the protagonists "friends" (who you must keep happy) insist on making you play these crappy games before and after every mission...
6. Missions. They aren't fun. There aren't enough car chases, races, silly stunts, inane challenges. It's all "drive here, get out, shoot these people" with hardly any variation at all.
I could go on, actually, but I'll get more and more boring myself if I do
And I'm not really writing a review, here.
TL;DR:
GTA:SA is one of the best games I've ever played - it's 99% fun.
GTA:4 suffers from a real identity crisis (am I GTA or Gears of War?), and about 19% fun.
I will uninstall and try Episodes. Thankfully I only spent £6 on the GTA complete pack, so I can't grumble too much. If I'd paid full price I'd be livid.
I'm about 25% in according to the in-game stats, and I'm now incredibly bored, and pretty frustrated too.
Every GTA to date has hooked me from beginning to end, starting from the original GTA which I played to death years ago.
There are lots of problems with GTA, and lots of reasons it's an inferior game to San Andreas (which is one of my all-time favourite games).
1. The cars aren't satisfying to drive. The sports cars don't seem fast, and the trucks are all incredibly slow (like 20mph slow). The physics are all wrong too. I've been driving an articulated truck and been pushed around by a small cop car (which is something like 1/8 the weight of the truck).
In a GTA game, where the car is the star, this is really a bad start. I had more fun driving in GTA 1 :/
2. The game is both too realistic, and too arcadey. It swings from one to the other, and seems unable to find a happy medium. Or a point which is fun.
In all previous GTA games, finding weapons and armour was pretty easy. Some were semi-hidden, but many were lying around down a back alley or under a bridge. Discovering weapons and armour was always an easy thing to do, so it didn't matter very much when you got busted and the cops took your stuff.
In GTA4, they've placed most of the weapons deep inside 5 storey buildings, or in really inaccessible out of the way places (like on rooftops - impossible to see from street level). Sure, this is realistic. You wouldn't have a machine gun abandoned in an alleyway. But boy is it TEDIOUS to find weapons. I don't even bother, it's that bad. When I lose a mission I just reload. It's just too aggravating to lose all your weapons in this game.
The protagonist will also die incredibly quickly to shotgun or rifle fire. I've lost count of the number of times I've been one-shot-killed running around a blind corner. The AI can pull off instant kill headshots just like you can. Realistic, sure, but also a pain in the ass.
Then, completely at the other end of the spectrum are the "arcadey" bits. Lots of missions are very tightly controlled/scripted; for example a car you're chasing isn't allowed to drive off before you're ready to chase it, or isn't allowed to get too far ahead of you... Many times the AI waits for you to catch up, and this completely breaks any sense of a "chase", and thus ruins the fun.
Also many of the car chases are 50% or more scripted. You replay the mission, and that lorry will pull out of the junction at exactly the same spot, two cars will collide at exactly the same spot; you'll have to swerve to avoid a lorry losing its load at exactly the same spot... What's annoying is that you can completely avoid these scripted challenges by simply following from a distance. The game always assumes you're right on the cars tail, so hanging back makes every scripted chase trivial.
3. GTA4 really wants to be a 3rd person shooter. SA had shooting, this is true. But by far the majority of the gameplay in every GTA to date has been driving/riding/flying... in vehicles! GTA4 wants you to use your vehicle just to drive to the next mission. Almost all the missions involve running around on foot shooting people (and being shot). I hate this. I want 90% vehicular homicide in my GTA, not 5%.
The game enforces the "get out and shoot" appoach by setting many missions either indoors, or in places where cars simply can't go. Building sites, etc. Sadly the on-foot combat is also pretty bad - the AI can shoot through solid objects in many places, and the cover system (WTH, cover system? Is this some GTA and Gears of War cross-over?) often has you "take cover" on the wrong side of an object, putting you completely in the line of fire and facing you in the wrong direction. Doh!
4. Loss of control. The game makes me automatically surrender to the cops. What!!!! How dare you! I'm in control of the character, but the game doesn't let me go out in a blaze of gunfire, it forces me to surrender. That's BS! In SA you could only be busting if you got knocked to the floor or pulled out of your car. And if you had a gun the cops wouldn't even try - they'd shoot you instead. But NB is such a pu-- infant cat-- that he just raises his hands and let the cops take him in. Bad show, Rockstar.
5. Far too many time wasters and annoyances. Like keeping your friends happy. Being forced to use in-game email and in-game internet browsing. Being forced to play really crappy mini-games like pool and darts. None of which is fun, because the mini-games themselves are so poor. It's initially impressive that they managed to cram so many mini games and sideshows in, until you realise that none of them are worth playing.
But sadly all the protagonists "friends" (who you must keep happy) insist on making you play these crappy games before and after every mission...
6. Missions. They aren't fun. There aren't enough car chases, races, silly stunts, inane challenges. It's all "drive here, get out, shoot these people" with hardly any variation at all.
I could go on, actually, but I'll get more and more boring myself if I do
And I'm not really writing a review, here.TL;DR:
GTA:SA is one of the best games I've ever played - it's 99% fun.
GTA:4 suffers from a real identity crisis (am I GTA or Gears of War?), and about 19% fun.
I will uninstall and try Episodes. Thankfully I only spent £6 on the GTA complete pack, so I can't grumble too much. If I'd paid full price I'd be livid.
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I agree with you, even though due to the sheer hype and lack of games at the time on the PS3 I completed it.
What bothers me is the fact that you need such a high spec PC to play this sub standard(technically) game. It is just pure laziness and a cash cow for rockstar.
I won't be buying any ports from them, that's for sure.
What bothers me is the fact that you need such a high spec PC to play this sub standard(technically) game. It is just pure laziness and a cash cow for rockstar.
I won't be buying any ports from them, that's for sure.
Dont uninstall, think you need the main game for the expansions!
Personally loved the game and think Im part of the minority that enjoyed the driving/handling. Apart from the far too slow auto boxes I found most cars to be really nicely weighted and very satisfying to just drive around in.
Found the gun play to be less fun than on the 360 but thats just because the most makes it so easy to head shot every enemy.
Personally loved the game and think Im part of the minority that enjoyed the driving/handling. Apart from the far too slow auto boxes I found most cars to be really nicely weighted and very satisfying to just drive around in.
Found the gun play to be less fun than on the 360 but thats just because the most makes it so easy to head shot every enemy.