AMD® Phenom™ II X6 and Intel® Core™ i7 Debate

[easyrider]

Now forgive me if I choose not to believe someone that spending this extra money is a no brainer and I shouldn't even question the many wiseman who are trying to "enforce" their opinion on me? . . . I don't make my purchasing decisions based on what people of "questionable" knowledge tell me? . . . is that so wrong of me?

Am I so foolish to actually want to know the "facts"?

Countless people have posted the facts in this thread.

That's totally fine and I'm not gonna insult you and concoct all kinds of accusations against you because you feel that way? . . . however the same cannot be said about a handful of forums members who throughout the course of this thread have been rude beyond belief because I choose to pay more attention to "facts" then their opinion?

Screen shots of actual benchmarks are not enough Facts? This is not opinion this is facts. How more factual can one be? test the hardware in question and post the facts with screen shots.

Are you suggesting that? . . . is that based on personal experience? . . . have you got a single "fact" to back up any of this? . . if so let me know please!

Yes countless screenshots of actual real world testing.

I'd really appreciate it if I was allowed to cooly, calmly and collectively continue my research without this handful of NaySayers being allowed to run amok, throw accusations, conspiracy theories, personal insults, personal attacks and general negativity? . . .

Screen shots of actual benchmarks are now accusations and conspiracy theories? This is not negativity this is facts. How more factual can one be? Test the hardware in question and post the facts with screen shots.

People spend their time testing the hardware for you and this is how you thank them?

 

[Dark_Angel]

I don't think there's any personal attacks on you Big.Wayne... but the problem is this debate isn't going anywhere because quite frankly there's not really a right answer.

It depends on software, any preference you may or may not have, cash you may have, requirements you may have.

Plus, right now we've got some factors we can't even really know - for example, if Bulldozer is AM3 compatible, then I'd say AM3 systems are the best in terms of future proof... as you could simply plop in a new CPU in 12 months time. But right now, you've not given us any real (and I apologize if I've missed it) clues to the apps the systems will run. If they're for 3d, then a GPU is more important. You've not stated the amount of multi tasking, (as in how many apps at once).

Plus - as stated, in some programs hex wins, in others I7 wins... sometimes, as frustrating as it might be for buyers, there's actually no "right" answer overall. The only thing to do is to way up the pro's and con's of the systems for yourself and then hit the buy button.

 

[gareth170]

Am I so foolish to actually want to know the "facts"?

people (including me) have posted real world results in this thread. which is far more fact than posting review sites results...

but u simply ignore that.

whats the point if u only listen to what u want.

 

[easyrider]

People who are posting the Facts and screenshots of X6 like Gareth are getting ignored.

This is what all the fuss is about.

The OP asked for a debate and input and when people respond with a screen shot of a benchmark they have run on X6 hardware they get ignored.

Simple because their post's don't fit in with the OP's agenda.

Now this is not really on...If you don't want people to post and reply then don't start a thread in the first place.

Its that simple.

 

[Dark_Angel]

people (including me) have posted real world results in this thread. which is far more fact than posting review sites results...

but u simply ignore that.

If people *really* care that much, the only thing to really do is everyone meet up, and do testing with literally exactly the same hardware, settings and everything else but just change the CPU / MB's.

But really, the sheer effort involved is pointless. I think it's clear that both CPU's are trading blows.

 

[PhoenixUK]

I could go on.

This is not opinion this is fact.

We also came to the conclusion that X6 was marginally faster in core optimised benchies like cinebanch 11.5...

We found and discovered a change when running version 11.5 of cinebench for example. The HT of the i7 didn't yield the same results.

Now if this is not facts then I don't know what is?

2 seconds, probably to non OCed HT ? Slowr ram? 2seconds could be anything.

That's what 5%? For same clock speed?

And how many times you'd state that STOCK i7 TOTALLY DESTROYS THE PII AT 4GHZ ????
how is that stock vs 4ghz and how it totally destroys it ? If not the timer at the bottom you won't even notice the difference ??

Play a game on an i3 @ 4ghz costing 220 quid for the system and see how much faster it is than Phenom II costing more...

And this ? eh...

 

[IKMS]

Does the extra money spent on Intel over AMD justify the increase in performance?

I am totally unbiased on this and, like Big.Wayne, want to get some answers (even if it is a slightly different answer I am looking for).

 

[gareth170]

People who are posting the Facts and screenshots of X6 like Gareth are getting ignored.

This is what all the fuss is about.

The OP asked for a debate and input and when people respond with a screen shot of a benchmark they have run on X6 hardware they get ignored.

Simple because their post's don't fit in with the OP's agenda.

Now this is not really on...If you don't want people to post and reply then don't start a thread in the first place.

Its that simple.

100% right/true...

also i haven't done any personal attacks on you Big.Wayne. im just really ****** off that your ignoring people who giving u REAL facts.

are u just a review site results lover?

 

[wannabedamned]

Does the extra money spent on Intel over AMD justify the increase in performance?

I am totally unbiased on this and, like Big.Wayne, want to get some answers (even if it is a slightly different answer I am looking for).

Depends on what you're looking for. 10%+ performance generally in none optimized Hexcore programs. Is the difference in cost worth 10%+

There was even a benchmark showing farcry 2 is 50% better CPU wise on an I7. So the difference in performance definately varies.

The main definate answer is hexcore programs will perform well on a hexcore processor. (obvious I know)

 

[IKMS]

Depends on what you're looking for. 10%+ performance generally in none optimized Hexcore programs. Is the difference in cost worth 10%+

There was even a benchmark showing farcry 2 is 50% better CPU wise on an I7. So the difference in performance definately varies.

The main definate answer is hexcore programs will perform well on a hexcore processor. (obvious I know)

Thanks for the reply.

How about a 955 against an i7 (at same clocks)? What is it that makes the i7 cough out more performance? I know Big.Wayne is looking for the Hex vs. Quad debate, but what if they were both equal core numbers?

 

[gareth170]

Thanks for the reply.

How about a 955 against an i7 (at same clocks)? What is it that makes the i7 cough out more performance? I know Big.Wayne is looking for the Hex vs. Quad debate, but what if they were both equal core numbers?

still 10%+

955/965 is same as hax but with two less cores.

 

[Big.Wayne]

[Off Topic]

I don't think there's any personal attacks on you Big.Wayne

Hello Dark_Angel,

you must be joking!

My name is appearing multiple times in certain peoples posts, it shouldn't be used at all apart from a personal greeting at the beginning of a post, I am not the subject of this debate, the hardware is the subject of this debate, there is no rules that states I have to listen to anyone or reply to anyone . . . especially If I do not personally deem the post as having any relevence or logical merit . . . . as soon as anyone is rude they have lost the debate and get added to ignore . . look at this other guy now who I haven't replied to once, quoting me out of context, concocting anything he can to muddle the thread . . . . I'm being told to not post screenies from review sites, and base a £4000 purchase on "countless screenshots" (3?) submitted late in in post #290 . . . it's hilarious!

I'll get there don't worry, I'm gonna keep posting professional review data until the cows come home, once enough data is posted then I will crunch it, all by myself it seems!

 

[IKMS]

still 10%+

955/965 is same as hax but with two less cores.

It seems that it depends on whether you want to spend more on the Intel for a slight increase or spend less on the AMD for a slight decrease (in performance).

I wouldn't pay an excrutiating premium for an i7 over a Phenom II knowing it was only ~10% Certain things run slower on an i7 according to the "Clock for clock relative comparison" on post 1.

How would an i5 compare to a 955?

 

[Big.Wayne]

[Off Topic]

No hijacking please IKMS

How would an i5 compare to a 955?

AMD® Phenom™ II X6 and Intel® Core™ i7 Debate

 

[Jokester]

There's one thing your not taking account of Wayne, I'm assuming your clients are business users using demanding software. Even if you're paying a price premium for an i7 for only 10% more performance, it pales into into insignificance if their tasks are being completed 10% quicker or to put it another way, can do 10% more work for the same number of employees, that's a substantial productivity gain.

 

[Big.Wayne]

Hello Jokester!

There's one thing your not taking account

I'm taking everything into account, it's just taking me a while to collect data dude . . . then the account taking will begin . . . .

if you're paying a price premium for an i7 for only 10% more performance, it pales into into insignificance if their tasks are being completed 10% quicker

Indeed . . . am I not allowed to collect the "vital" data I require to determine which tasks will be quicker and which will be slower . . . I'm pretty sure no one would want to pay more for a machine that will be slower in the task my clients will need it for right?

It's all in the O.P . . .

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 95W version of the Phenom II X6 1055T has been released recently although it is hard to get ATM in the UK.

Also what software will be used for the video editing and rendering tasks?? If you know what packages will be run it would make it easier for you to know what platform to go for!

 

[Jokester]

It's all in the O.P . . .

Except what the apps they are actually running are?

 

[RizlaKing]

Big Wayne i think what your taking for rudeness is bewillderment you are clearly reading a lot of reviews same as all of us do when we are considering purchases and then your repeating it here. Now i know you said it's about collating the data but thats a bit of a flawed argument because people may well in six months time go to anandtech or tweaktown and search for those benchmarks results to compare and help them make achoice.

Other then you and a few others who i am not sure are being helped one bit by this thread no one will come to OcUK forums and search for this. In a few weeks time this thread will fall off the first page and keep on sinking. You APPEAR to be in favour of the amd platform and likely will build those systems i along with some others cannot see what this is all about.

Rather then clarify anything it has got more muddled on this thread and for most people they would be better off not reading this but going to the usual suspects. Surely by now you have enough review sites data to come to a conclusion on this and if you havn't and the added user data here is not enough backup to help i am really not sure what else it is you want. Feel free to add me to your list of trouble makers if you want but i just don't think your helping yourself or anyone else with this thread and it seems to be causing more trouble then anything else regardless of what the original intent was.

 

[easyrider]

[especially If I do not personally deem the post as having any relevence or logical merit . . . .

Or in favour of AMD..That's the bottom line here.

as soon as anyone is rude they have lost the debate and get added to ignore . . look at this other guy now who I haven't replied to once, quoting me out of context, concocting anything he can to muddle the thread . . . . I'm being told to not post screenies from review sites, and base a £4000 purchase on "countless screenshots" (3?) submitted late in in post #290 . . . it's hilarious!

No this thread is hilarious. People don't quote you out of context... They highlight the Bias and conceptualised approach of your non reasoning.

I'll get there don't worry, I'm gonna keep posting professional review data until the cows come home, once enough data is posted then I will crunch it, all by myself it seems!

Well you have alienated people who have offered to actually post real bench marks very early on. So your right you can number crunch the copy and paste reviews sites until the cows come home by the time your done the " clients" cough...will have out of date hardware to receive.