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Nice writeup mate! CSL noise.... I do miss that.
So how does an M3 CSL, EVO X and a S197 Mustang compare then.......results inside!
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Let me be the first to say... OMG SPEEDING IN A 30!!!
Seriously though and I can safely say this because i've met you... you are a nutcase!
on a par with Rg-Tom in the nutcase department
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Evo's 5-10 all spool within the RPM range you have stated. My 6 is on full boost by 3k so not sure what you mean by 'well compared to EVO's of old LAG is greatly reduced, the turbo is spooling from 2000rpm and really gets a shift on from 2500rpm onwards with peak torque coming as low as 3500rpm'.
In my experience they are all like that...
In my experience they are all like that...
If its a 2011 then yes not far off.
Remember I am comparing to a CSL here.
An E60 5 series is in a different on interior build quality, but when it comes to mechanical quality then yeah the Mustangs are built using solid components.
Gibbo, what about the fit and finish of the exterior panels, surely that isn't up to German quality?
I have a friend who writes for Evo I think. If you did get that job, you wouldn't have the income to afford either of the cars in this thread!Every blokes dream job I think. I envy the guys at Top Gear and EVO.
Thanks for the interesting read over lunch, I'm not a Mustang fan in honesty but yours always did look top notch. Evo I'm not overly fussed about, but I suppose I didn't know as much before reading your review! CSL, well, the writing's on the wall - fab car.
Interesting write up, and praise indeed re Spie's comment given whats in his garage! 
The 'Stang will always do it for me though and I'd give my right arm for a CSL.... (not that one would be of much use to me then, ho hum!
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and praise indeed re Spie's comment given whats in his garage! The 'Stang will always do it for me though and I'd give my right arm for a CSL.... (not that one would be of much use to me then, ho hum!
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I must have driven a lot of bad EVO's then. My experience on cars 8 and older they all had pretty poor pickup and do not come on full boost until 4800rpm-5500rpm. Infact this is even backed up by manufacturers specifications stating peak torque at 4800rpm, wheras the new ones are 3500rpm, thats a lot more usable power in the rev range.
It was 9 onwards they vastly improved, the introduction of Mivec made them a lot more responsive and the 9 MR models had lighter turbo turbines for quicker spool up hitting peak torque at 3200rpm on the 9 MR 360.
The older cars are only any good when mapped, but even then they don't have Mivec unless you add it to one at quite some cost.
So I'm assuming your 6 is modified then?
On the Mustang fit and finish was top notch, everything was very solid and the car never developed any rattles in the 50,000 miles I did in it. Really can't complain about the build quality from Ford US on the S197 Mustang, yes the V6 is another story.....
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Does it make you more cautious when overtaking?
The Mustang is just so epic Great write-ups too, though the pictures could have been *slightly* smaller to prevent sideways scrolling on 'only' a 1280x1024 resolution But as they're nice pics it's ok
Would be fun to have one, what with having all the right infrastructure and all over here, however there's kinda the opposite effect over here that you see Mustangs all the time, everywhere, and there are tons of BMWs around as well, whereas something like the EVO would be more likely to turn heads I would have thought.
Great write-ups too, though the pictures could have been *slightly* smaller to prevent sideways scrolling on 'only' a 1280x1024 resolution But as they're nice pics it's ok Would be fun to have one, what with having all the right infrastructure and all over here, however there's kinda the opposite effect over here that you see Mustangs all the time, everywhere, and there are tons of BMWs around as well, whereas something like the EVO would be more likely to turn heads I would have thought.
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the mustang wins because its banging compared toi the rest of them. it makes them look and sound relatively boring.
but its not any old mustang is it? tune thew m3 up to that state and im sure it would sound prewtty decent but the charger v8 combination is what takes the biscuit.
also it looks by far the meanest and most gangstafarious of them all without looking like a dealers car. its like someone with good taste.
the mustang wins because its banging compared toi the rest of them. it makes them look and sound relatively boring.
but its not any old mustang is it? tune thew m3 up to that state and im sure it would sound prewtty decent but the charger v8 combination is what takes the biscuit.
also it looks by far the meanest and most gangstafarious of them all without looking like a dealers car. its like someone with good taste.
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My 6 has an exhaust and air filter which were both fitted in the last 10 days.
Sorry Gibbo but what you have quoted as figures is incorrect, unless I'm reading it wrong. An Evo 6 hits peak torque at 3000 rpm, 274ft/lb to be exact.
Full boost by 4800-5000k is crazy, it would be a lag monster and hopelessly awful to drive.
Where did you get these 'manufacturers figures' from? There is a scanned brochure on the MLR.
Have you been driving standard engines with GT35's attached?
My 6 has an exhaust and air filter which were both fitted in the last 10 days.
Sorry Gibbo but what you have quoted as figures is incorrect, unless I'm reading it wrong. An Evo 6 hits peak torque at 3000 rpm, 274ft/lb to be exact.
Full boost by 4800-5000k is crazy, it would be a lag monster and hopelessly awful to drive.
Where did you get these 'manufacturers figures' from? There is a scanned brochure on the MLR.
Have you been driving standard engines with GT35's attached?
The only EVO's to hit peak torque before 3500rpm are the EVO X series and the EVO 9 FQ-360, none of the others do in the FQ range.
I see the error of my ways now, it seems the bog standard cars pushing 260-280BHP do indeed hit peak torque of 260-280lb/ft at 3000rpm.
However when it comes to the FQ range 300 upwards only the 9 FQ-360 and X series are sub 3500rpm. The other 9's and 8 are all above 4400rpm for peak torque.
As to why this is I don't know, I guess in the older cars they used different turbos and did not have Mivec.
I've driven two 8's, one standard at FQ-340 I believe and one mapped to about 360BHP and they were both hitting peak torque/boost at 4800rpm and yes they were laggy and pretty poor, yep you got a frantic 2000rpm rev range but it was all annoying. The 9 FQ-360 MR was the most aggressive I drove, it pulled hard like a train in a violent fashion from 3000rpm upto redline. The X is not quite as aggressive, but has a much more linear power curve feel to it. MLR guys say to make an X feel craxy it needs a stage 1.5 which gives them about 420lb/ft around circa 3500rpm.
So maybe on the older cars when running more power on the stock turbo they don't create peak torque until higher up the RPM or maybe Mitsubishi were just not as good as mapping the older FQ cars as they are now.
But its a fact the older 8 and 9 FQ's were all peak torque above 4400rpm, bar the 9 FQ-360 and X series.