PlayStation Plus gets is right!

skippi90 said:
Whereas I too had both and found the difference between the two services to be minimal in a way that mattered to me. I sure as hell wasn't going to continue paying for cross-game chat. NEVER have I had to talk to someone who was playing a different game. Why would you need to? :confused:
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Totally derailing the thread but wanted to comment on this - I think the name is misleading, people don't want this (in most instances) to be able to chat to friends playing other games; we want it so you have you can jump into a permanent private voice chat room that’s independent from the game your playing so that you can easily arrange things with friends, such as all joining a multiplayer game together.

Personally I find voice chat implementation pretty shoddy on the PS3 as it's so inconsistent between games - sometimes you can't chat during loading screens etc, I don't always want to chat to the randoms in the game just my friends but I have no choice. System level voice chat would be fantastic for myself and friends, as we have to resort to using Ventrillo on a PC whenever we play togeather.
 
andshrew said:
Totally derailing the thread but wanted to comment on this - I think the name is misleading, people don't want this (in most instances) to be able to chat to friends playing other games; we want it so you have you can jump into a permanent private voice chat room that’s independent from the game your playing so that you can easily arrange things with friends, such as all joining a multiplayer game together.

Personally I find voice chat implementation pretty shoddy on the PS3 as it's so inconsistent between games - sometimes you can't chat during loading screens etc, I don't always want to chat to the randoms in the game just my friends but I have no choice. System level voice chat would be fantastic for myself and friends, as we have to resort to using Ventrillo on a PC whenever we play togeather.
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Currently, I find the system of using the text based chat rooms for organisation to be perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of voice comms anyway though.
 
skippi90 said:
Whereas on Xbox live, you don't even get games for the length of your subscription. GOOD DEAL HUH!?

a. Not up to date on PS3 news then?

b. Party support. Because that's useful. Tell me, why do I need it?

c. And what exactly does this full invite system do that the current system does not?

d. Again, blind ignorance.

e. Well, that's going to make my gaming experience so much better isn't it? Pre-teens rating me down because I caned them on FIFA.



4 years down the line and the PS3 is still shy of the fail rates of the launch Xbox. Thank God for that.



Whereas I too had both and found the difference between the two services to be minimal in a way that mattered to me. I sure as hell wasn't going to continue paying for cross-game chat. NEVER have I had to talk to someone who was playing a different game. Why would you need to? :confused:



PSN also has deals, and PSN+ also allows you to download demo's earlier than regular PSN members.



£200 worth of content for £40 a year. Yeah, excuse me whilst I go cry into my cornflakes.
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You get deal of the week when you have an xbox live gold account... if discounted items is your reason for PSN+ then you already get that on xbl gold.

a. PS3 news? Cross game chat has been in development for years, and bar one pre-release to developers its never been considered production ready. (yes, I used it)

b. & c. I'm going to guess cos you have no friends / enough social skills to get from behind a keyboard and talk to people. For those of us that do, its nice to have a single unified party system where you can join, external to the game a group of friends and move between games as a single team. In game party stuff can be done on ps3, but its completely upto the developer to add it (no common api) - see call of duty, resistance for examples done on sonys. As for the invites, they are badly hacked into the existing message system (the os doesn't know they are invites, only messages with a specific attachment) - on a per game basis you can filter messages and treat them as invites, but on OS level they are just another message.

d. Was this in 3.40? I've honestly not checked, been playing heavy rain, but might have missed it.

e. Rating you down = filter from playing them again, thats a good thing.

Well, I've only just picked up the 360s having had a PS3 since launch - but one thing, yeah the hardware was shockingly cheap to start with, but, MS did give a 3 years RRoD or e74 replacement - sony didn't for YLoD / blueray failures. I've had 3 friends whos PS3s have died and have been told they will need to fork out 120ish (I think) quid to have them fixed - 360 might have been rubbish, but at least it was free.

Yeah when you get into game, PSN is almost the same, I'm not arguing that point (play ssf4 on both, along with call of duty) - but its the whole experience thats better on 360 - and the experience is defo worth the money, to me (and all bar 2 of my mates on my 50+ psn list) PSN+ isn't.
 
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lovedaddy said:
a. PS3 news? Cross game chat has been in development for years, and bar one pre-release to developers its never been considered production ready. (yes, I used it)

b. & c. I'm going to guess cos you have no friends / enough social skills to get from behind a keyboard and talk to people. For those of us that do, its nice to have a single unified party system where you can join, external to the game a group of friends and move between games as a single team. In game party stuff can be done on ps3, but its completely upto the developer to add it (no common api) - see call of duty, resistance for examples done on sonys. As for the invites, they are badly hacked into the existing message system (the os doesn't know they are invites, only messages with a specific attachment) - on a per game basis you can filter messages and treat them as invites, but on OS level they are just another message.

d. Was this in 3.40? I've honestly not checked, been playing heavy rain, but might have missed it.

e. Rating you down = filter from playing them again, thats a good thing.

Well, I've only just picked up the 360s having had a PS3 since launch - but one thing, yeah the hardware was shockingly cheap to start with, but, MS did give a 3 years RRoD or e74 replacement - sony didn't for YLoD / blueray failures. I've had 3 friends whos PS3s have died and have been told they will need to fork out 120ish (I think) quid to have them fixed - 360 might have been rubbish, but at least it was free.

Yeah when you get into game, PSN is almost the same, I'm not arguing that point (play ssf4 on both, along with call of duty) - but its the whole experience thats better on 360 - and the experience is defo worth the money, to me (and all bar 2 of my mates on my 50+ psn list) PSN+ isn't.
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Cross Game chat is coming exclusively to PSN+ members, but regular members will be able to join the room, just not start one.

I have plenty of friends who I play with. I've played with the majority of PS3 users on here in one game or another.

Does it matter that invites are just another message? I'd rather have all of that stuff in one place. They carry out exactly the same function.

Trophies, and trophy syncing has been around long before Heavy Rain.

Sony didn't need to offer free repair as it was a very small percentage of consoles affected. On here as an example, I think I've seen a total of 5 threads on the subject, and at least two of those ended up being fixed for free.

The experience of gaming on the two consoles comes down to the friends you have on it. As far as the OS goes, they're very similar.
 
skippi90 said:
Cross Game chat is coming exclusively to PSN+ members, but regular members will be able to join the room, just not start one.

I have plenty of friends who I play with. I've played with the majority of PS3 users on here in one game or another.

Does it matter that invites are just another message? I'd rather have all of that stuff in one place. They carry out exactly the same function.

Trophies, and trophy syncing has been around long before Heavy Rain.

Sony didn't need to offer free repair as it was a very small percentage of consoles affected. On here as an example, I think I've seen a total of 5 threads on the subject, and at least two of those ended up being fixed for free.

The experience of gaming on the two consoles comes down to the friends you have on it. As far as the OS goes, they're very similar.
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Coming.... 4 years and counting. I know its in development (as I say, I've used it at 2.8 firmware time). Took sony over 6 months to get the in game XMB (so you didn't have to quit a game to read a message) working... I'll keep waiting before being judgemental.

I think it matters yeah, ps3 the OS doesn't treat is as an invite, instead as each game has to do it on a per title basis. For example when in the XMB you can't just view invites and then join the game. PS3 can do invites that launch the game, but they have to be again, per title (same as say you can have custom background music, but you need to dick about supporting it, doesn't just happen 'free' handled by the OS). I think one example of a launching invite is MW2.
 
Sony dont do things simple, so you pay a sub to play free games but if you cancel the sub the games are not playable any more. So basically you are leasing game?
 
Just the games though, you get to keep the themes, DLC and avatars, also if you buy anything at the discounted PS+ rate it's for keeps.
Then there's the priority beta access, push demos, auto updates and a rather fetching plus icon by your avatar, just to show how great you are.
My free Little Big Planet was handy too, I swapped my BD version for Bionic Commando, completed it, then swapped again for Matrix on Blu Ray.
Worth the £2.66 per month I paid imo.
 
Edz said:
I think Killswitch has picked out most of the holes in your statement already, but just to clarify Xbox didn't have cross game chat from launch...



Sam & Max isn't 13 years old is it?

And the PSN also has fortnightly discounts off selected content so in that regards they offer pretty much the same service....
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So PS3 has these features or is my statement correct?
 
lovedaddy said:
So PS3 has these features or is my statement correct?
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What is the relevance of cross game chat?
YOU brought it up, why should anyone care if the PS3 supports it or not in the context of this thread, you don't find me going "Well does the 360 play blu rays? Does it? DOES IT?". It's equally irrelevant and pointless.
 
I don't get why people constantly compare PSN+ to Live Gold, they're completely different entities as it stands. One is simply a rental/discounts service while the other is a pay2play online service (i suppose it does offer the ocassional discount to market stuff, but the core services supplied are completely different)

When things like cross-game chat and other online features start filtering into the PSN+ service, then maybe people will be able to make comparisons that actually hold some weight.
 
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