Massive military cuts

KNiVES said:
- our global presence exacerbates perceived threats instead of diminishing them
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WRONG. You can't generalise just because of the Iraq/Afgan situation. If a war is fought properly, it diminishes risk. I don't think you really understand what would happen in the world if the West had no military presence around the world.

KNiVES said:
- the chance of a major nation threatening the uk is next to nil
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Our army makes this possible - if we had no army, the Argies would annex the Falklands and certain other countries would have no second thoughts about using proxies to attack us.


KNiVES said:
- the US has our back, let them do the job
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Britain had Poland's back when the Nazis and Soviets carved that country up. A nation's survival depends on its armed forces.

KNiVES said:
Look at Japan. Instead of taking a leaf from their book, the UK should nick the entire thing.
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LOL. Do you think that is what is stopping the Norks or China from invading them? It's the US army bases in Japan and the fact the US would fight for the Japs.
 
Lmao what a joke. Honestly.

We will regret these cuts at some point.

Also, kwerk, lol.
 
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About time military spending was cut, an island with a population of 60 million does not require the worlds 3rd biggest defence budget.
 
doofer said:
Well, if the Govt. didn't keep sending them to places where they really should not be and fighting pretend wars for purely political and financial reasons they would not have become so expensive, it would work out far cheaper for the Country in the long run to keep our Troops at home to defend our Country and get shot of the Govt.
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What is our military budget p.a. and how much money would we lose if we weren't fighting wars for financial reasons?
 
Energize said:
About time military spending was cut, an island with a population of 60 million does not require the worlds 3rd biggest defence budget.
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Just looked up the same wikipedia page you did.
Quite amazed by those figures.
Shocked Russia spends less than UK, clearly they are not maintaining their nuclear arsenal.
UK and France, spending lots and lots.
 
Energize said:
The UK nuclear arsenal represents a tiny proportion of military spending.
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Yes as the UK have 3 submarines, Russia has half the rest of the worlds nukes, and that 'should' cost an absolute shedload to maintain, if their spending is less than hours, they are clearly making massives savings by not spending any money on them.
 
Hardly surprising, the last time the tories where in power I worked for a place that did a lot of Military contracts. Tory military cuts in the early 90's nearly finished the place off.

I'm pretty sure they will run the place close again.

Lets be honest though the amount of waste and budgets are a joke in the military. I don't see why I should pay for sailiong holidays etc.

The last time I was at lyneham sod all was being done, the place was like a ghost town until knock off time and the doors of all the hangers were open to make sure they used the heating budget up so it wasn't cut for the following year.

Both Govenments have spent billions on ageing fleets of aircraft that should be scrapped. I worked on the hercules in 1990 for the first time, they celebrated 25 years of service with a view to them being cut up. It's only recently they have started scrapping them.

Then we are spending millions on sticking glass cockpits in tristar aircraft that have a couple of years life them in them.

Pointless spending. The tristar should have been binned 15 years ago. They are always on maintenance for months at a time and have had billions thrown at them in modifications. We could have saved most of that just buying off the shelf from the yanks.

Cuts are long overdue and I welcome them.
 
This is no different to the Tory cuts in the early 90s, options for change it was called, major cuts in man power and the scraping/selling off of old hardware. At the same time they were in contact with the IRA trying to broker a deal. They will be cutting a similar deal with the Taliban if it has not already been made. It will mean a smaller armed forces that is equipped to the same level it is now minus the man power needed to put it to good use. Then the unforeseen will happen and the armed forces will be playing catch up trying to plug its manpower issues. I wonder if this government will last to see through its cuts?
 
kwerk said:
Why even have a military is this day and age?? Haven't we progressed enough that problems can be sorted out with diplomacy and words?
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Homer Simpson:

"You're living in a world of make-believe. With flowers and bells and leprechauns, and magic frogs with funny little hats."
 
Ghosteh said:
That rumour has been going for as long as the forces have existed, it'll never happen, and I can't see how we'd be jealous lol.
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The Army just want to get their hands on a better trained, more cost effective and more adaptable brigade...like I said jealous...;)

Joking aside though, I can't see it happening either, but the request from the Army does seem more serious this time around.:(
 
We are starting to go the way the Canadians did, one military with all combined, they realised that it was a TERRIBLE idea and how they have army/navy/air force again.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Yes as the UK have 3 submarines, Russia has half the rest of the worlds nukes, and that 'should' cost an absolute shedload to maintain, if their spending is less than hours, they are clearly making massives savings by not spending any money on them.
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It's 4 submarines which the vast majority of the maintenance cost goes towards, the weapons themselves contribute much less to the cost so a large number of weapons still costs less than one submarine to maintain. If we can manage our entire arsenal at a cost of $2.4bn I'm sure the Russians can manage theirs on a military budget of $61bn.
 
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