Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

[B&W]

LOL!

Why? Do you dislike gays that much? Do you actually know how rough care is on kids?



Your stance reasoning becomes clearer all of a sudden

I don't know on what level your brain correlates what i said in my post to me hating them, lol.

Just showing how some of the over touchy homosexual defenders in this thread act like.

 

[mrk]

If it's a law of nature to reproduce then why are monkeys bonking frogs and other animals bonking their same sex species?

Homosexuality/Awkward shagging exists in the animal world too.

 

[B&W]

If it's a law of nature to reproduce then why are monkeys bonking frogs and other animals bonking their same sex species?

Homosexuality/Awkward shagging exists in the animal world too.

Confused perhaps?

 

[antijoke]

But, and I reiterate, by the same logic someone who cannot reproduce (say their ovaries are defunct) should also be disallowed to adopt as nature says no.

But again, is this a right to have children or not?

Does the lady with defunct ovaries see it as a right that she should have children? And also do gay people see it as a right to have children?

I personally do not think it's a right to have a chldren at all.

 

[krooton]

But again, is this a right to have children or not?

Does the lady with defunct ovaries see it as a right that she should have children? And also do gay people see it as a right to have children?

I personally do not think it's a right to have a chldren at all.

I have no idea if they do, it will vary from person to person.

As stated, I don't think that being able to from a biological sense should infer entitlement.

People are capable of doing various things that they realistically shouldn't.

I could kill the guy next to me at work, but I shouldn't, just like you shouldn't be having kids if you cannot support them.

 

[Vonhelmet]

But by being gay it is against the laws of nature to reproduce, thus then removing this right?

I know that might not come across as I mean it but I cannot think how to word it any better.

Everyone has the right to attempt to have children.

To put it another way, you can bum another man all day long trying to have children, but it probably won't work.

It's not entirely comparable to infertility treatment, as the issue is not to do with weak sperm or whatever, it's simply that two men can't make a baby. Even then I'm not convinced that the infertile have an inherent right to have children. It's not really an issue of rights if your body is simply incapable. By all means pay for treatment, or if the NHS provides it, go for it, but don't cry about your rights.

Note that I'm saying nothing of gay adoption here.

 

[krooton]

Everyone has the right to attempt to have children.

To put it another way, you can bum another man all day long trying to have children, but it probably won't work.

It's not entirely comparable to infertility treatment, as the issue is not to do with weak sperm or whatever, it's simply that two men can't make a baby. Even then I'm not convinced that the infertile have an inherent right to have children. It's not really an issue of rights if your body is simply incapable. By all means pay for treatment, or if the NHS provides it, go for it, but don't cry about your rights. There is no such right.

I don't mean IVF and such, I mean people are totally sterile, impossible to actually have their own kid and thus turning to adoption. Pretty comparable to a gay couple wishing to adopt, as biology it outright preventing both couples from reproducing.

 

[Gilly]

I don't know on what level your brain correlates what i said in my post to me hating them, lol.

That is how you come across. If it isn't how you meant to, maybe you should read what you're putting before submitting?

 

[Gilly]

If it's a law of nature to reproduce then why are monkeys bonking frogs and other animals bonking their same sex species?

Homosexuality/Awkward shagging exists in the animal world too.

Where's the evidence that monkeys are banging frogs?

Animals hitting other same-sex from their species is usually a dominance thing.

 

[krooton]

Where's the evidence that monkeys are banging frogs?

Youtube it, may be NSFW though, epic lols!

 

[Castiel]

Infamous if you've followed that area, I had to google him. *shrug*

Or did every gay person out there get a note from him suggesting it?

My gay friends were never advised or goaded in to being gay, back then it was still uber-taboo, who would have? They just found that once their hormones started firing all over the place in puberty, that they had a physical attracted towards other men.

I would imagine all your Gay friends would have heard of him as he is the man mainly responsible for the Gay Rights movement and the reason why it is no longer 'Uber-Tattoo'

I am not suggesting that anyone is gay because they were told to be, only that your statement that no-one has ever stated "Try it and See" is erroneous.

 

[Castiel]

But again, is this a right to have children or not?

Does the lady with defunct ovaries see it as a right that she should have children? And also do gay people see it as a right to have children?

I personally do not think it's a right to have a chldren at all.

It is your right to choose. Regardless of social development, reproduction is our main raison d'etre.

Don't confuse Rights with Ability.

 

[antijoke]

I'm not talking about ability to have a children.

I was interested to know if people here see it as a right that people should be able to have children, gay or not.

 

[krooton]

I would imagine all your Gay friends would have heard of him as he is the man mainly responsible for the Gay Rights movement and the reason why it is no longer 'Uber-Tattoo'

I am not suggesting that anyone is gay because they were told to be, only that your statement that no-one has ever stated "Try it and See" is erroneous.

I meant it loosely/rhetorically, inferring that the majority of gay people are not gay due to someone suggesting for them to try it.

 

[Castiel]

I'm not talking about ability to have a children.

I was interested to know if people here see it as a right that people should be able to have children, gay or not.

I see.

I think that no-one should be denied the opportunity to become a Parent regardless of their gender or sexual orientation.

 

[Castiel]

I meant it loosely/rhetorically, inferring that the majority of gay people are not gay due to someone suggesting for them to try it.

Indeed, but equally there are homosexuals of both genders that have made a conscious choice to be gay for whatever reason.

There is no black and white here.

The only thing we can be sure of is that discriminating against anyone because of their gender or sexual orientation is wrong regardless of what people like B&W think.

 

[RDM]

Where did the first gay come from? I don't believe for one second that gays are genetically predisposed to be gays.

I do think it is choice (whether that be conscious or not) but not genetics.

I can try and find the studies but by all accounts there is strong evidence of a genetic link for at least some homosexuals. Something about it giving a fertility advantage for female siblings. From talking to the gay people I know none of them can ever remember making any choice to be gay, they just happened to be attracted to the same sex.

Couple of links suggesting at least some form of genetic link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3735668.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation (Wiki view on it, take it however you want).

Most of the websites that seem to suggest that it is completely a choice and not at all genetic also seem to be linked to religion for some reason...

However I would say that the strongest evidence would be that it would be pretty stupid to make a choice that would subject you to the level of hate, abuse and discrimination that homosexuals can face.

 

[Castiel]

However I would say that the strongest evidence would be that it would be pretty stupid to make a choice that would subject you to the level of hate, abuse and discrimination that homosexuals can face.

I make no connection or defence between disparate groups, but the same can be said for Deviant sexual groups such as paedophiles or Religious Groups, Political Groups and so on. Why would members of any of these and other similarly discriminated or hated groups make that choice.

 

[Gilly]

The only thing we can be sure of is that discriminating against anyone because of their gender or sexual orientation is wrong regardless of what people like B&W think.

Anyone that disagrees with that has no place in a modern society.

 

[RDM]

I make no connection or defence between disparate groups, but the same can be said for Deviant sexual groups such as paedophiles or Religious Groups, Political Groups and so on. Why would members of any of these and other similarly discriminated or hated groups make that choice.

For religous and political groups it is generally from what they gain from joining said group. If you aren't really in to having sex with men then the benefits of homosexuality are somewhat limited...

For deviant sexual groups I am probably going to have to agree that there isn't a huge amount of choice involved in their sexual feelings, though there is of course choice in if they act upon it. But then we all have that choice gay, straight or whatever.