Topic on Passionford.

[MikeHiow]

Straight roads tend to have corners at either end.

I'm sorry if you're getting tired of posting, but you clearly think that you think its perfectly safe to race around at high speed on public roads. Others don't. I appreciate you enjoy it, and you've never had an accident. But neither had 'Joe'. Everyone's luck runs out at some point. After eleven years of 'fast' accident free driving, I was very fortunate that mine ran out on my motorbike whilst I was only doing 30. I'd hate to think what would have happened if I was doing the kind of speeds that were more than likely involved in Joes case.

Joe didn't deserve to die. However if you take risks often, you have to prepared to take the consequences eventually.

After not even suffering a close one following 5 years of driving to the conditions and knowing my limits (which are often above the speed limit), I have to disagree. Sure, some people run out of talent, some people run out of luck, but it doesn't necessarily mean what they were doing was excessively dangerous, people on here are just speculating that because of the conditions surrounding the accident.

If you can't manage driving fast on the roads then fine, but please do not assume that no one else can either.

 

[hurfdurf]

I rarely speculate on any accident, I wasn't there and unless it was glaringly obvious that the person in question did something ridiculously stupid, I couldn't possibly comment.

Maybe I just have a different nature to other people, but I sympathise with anyone who crashes their car, short of those doing 100MPH past a school at 3PM. I just don't agree with all this speculative stick that is being given over a dead man's driving.

This is the grown ups way of posting. Assumption is the bane of humanity in a lot of cases.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

After not even suffering a close one following 5 years of driving.

If you can't manage driving fast on the roads then fine, but please do not assume that no one else can either.

As I said, it was eleven years before luck caught up with me.

It has nothing to do with managing driving fast. Why is it young lads always think they have some kind of god given talent that means they're capable of driving faster than the next person. Ah well, I guess I was no different.

You should try double de-clutching the worst handling death trap in the world with only 40bhp and a trailer on the back through motorway traffic.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

This is the grown ups way of posting.

Evidence would prove otherwise.

 

[cheets64]

Straight roads tend to have corners at either end.

I'm sorry if you're getting tired of posting, but you clearly think that you think its perfectly safe to race around at high speed on public roads. Others don't. I appreciate you enjoy it, and you've never had an accident. But neither had 'Joe'. Everyone's luck runs out at some point. After eleven years of 'fast' accident free driving, I was very fortunate that mine ran out on my motorbike whilst I was only doing 30. I'd hate to think what would have happened if I was doing the kind of speeds that were more than likely involved in Joes case.

Joe didn't deserve to die. However if you take risks often, you have to prepared to take the consequences eventually.

I have never crashed, yes I have driven over 70mph on the motorway and done 60mph on NSL road but I have been driving 10 years and I MUST BE AN AMAZING DRIVER? Nope I am not, I dont take risks, I dont have a fast car kitted out, I read the road and know when I am getting silly. I have driven on track and its so much easier and the thrill is 100x better on a track than the road, a track you know what its like so next time around you try harder, people doing that on the road = death, you simply cant do it, well you can but if you get it wrong its going to end in disaster. You are a long time dead.

If you can't manage driving fast on the roads then fine, but please do not assume that no one else can either.

Driving fast on roads? In what term, anyone can drive fast, its the unexpect things that get you like pot hole, poor road surface, FOX in the road, other car etc.

Basically by you logic this guy should never of crashed because he was on an empty road, he knew it, was driving a car he knows but something made him crash, which people are saying was a screw?

 

[Hawk Tuah]

FOX in the road

A silver BMW pulling out in front of you?

 

[MikeHiow]

Why is it young lads always think they have some kind of god given talent that means they're capable of driving faster than the next person. Ah well, I guess I was no different.

Given my experience with motorsport, I should hope I'm faster than your average Joe on the road. But that isn't the point at all - you base your opinion on your own experience, have you not stopped to think that your experience was because of your lack of talent, and that others may just have the capabilities to do it.

You should try double de-clutching the worst handling death trap in the world with only 40bhp and a trailer on the back through motorway traffic.

Awesome story, you should try navigating, small, unsalted, Isle of Wight roads covered in snow whilst towing nearly 4 tons with a pickup truck. Or driving a fully laden 25 year old Bedford pickup with no remaining working synchros, on a daily basis.</I'm special>

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Lack of talent. Nice. I thought you didn't speculate on accidents.

Careful you dont hit your head on the way out. It must be a tight fit.

 

[MikeHiow]

How else do you suggest I word it? You must believe you are a pretty good driver if you believe that just because you can't do something, that no one else can. I'm suggesting otherwise, that perhaps you can't but maybe, just maybe, some other people can. Maybe that isn't the case at all, perhaps your incident on the bike made you nervous and you just never recovered from that. I can't really speculate, because I don't know you, but the former is usually the reason behind people slating others that drive fast.

That isn't meant to be insulting, its a well known fact that some drivers are better than others. Some people have better reactions, others better perception etc. there are a million physical factors as well as many more "learnt" factors.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I hope no one ever pulls out from a side road in front of you. Or if they do, your considerable talent saves you.

Yawn. Get over yourself. Good night.

 

[MikeHiow]

Well, that is part of driving to the conditions, being aware of such hazards and adjusting your driving accordingly where that is a possibility.

 

[cheets64]

And thats the end of the thread, so should the guy that died, you don't die doing 30mph even 40 mph even 60mph you should survive a crash into a barrier, what speed was this guy doing? To die, granted it was a 20 year old car but it still should hold up at 60 or 70 if it spun on a straight into a barrier.

Like I said I have been driving for 10 years since I passed and never crashed so therefore I am better driver than you.

 

[miniyazz]

And thats the end of the thread, so should the guy that died, you don't die doing 30mph even 40 mph even 60mph you should survive a crash into a barrier, what speed was this guy doing? To die, granted it was a 20 year old car but it still should hold up at 60 or 70 if it spun on a straight into a barrier.

I'm sorry, that's not how it works. For example, see video clip of 2000 (half the age) Saxo crashing into deformable barrier at 40mph and notice the small chance of survival. I don't believe for one second a 20 year old Ford would hold up in a crash into a barrier at 60 or 70, as even a glancing blow would knock it much more significantly into the other barrier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8PTeFDaYU

 

[snowdog]

And thats the end of the thread, so should the guy that died, you don't die doing 30mph even 40 mph even 60mph you should survive a crash into a barrier, what speed was this guy doing? To die, granted it was a 20 year old car but it still should hold up at 60 or 70 if it spun on a straight into a barrier.

Obviously , if you crash in a fast train at 180mph you're more likely to die too than in a train going 20 mph, your point being ?

Like I said I have been driving for 10 years since I passed and never crashed so therefore I am better driver than you.

Are you a better driver than Ayrton Senna too, because he crashed and killed himself ?

 

[cheets64]

I'm sorry, that's not how it works. For example, see video clip of 2000 (half the age) Saxo crashing into deformable barrier at 40mph and notice the small chance of survival. I don't believe for one second a 20 year old Ford would hold up in a crash into a barrier at 60 or 70, as even a glancing blow would knock it much more significantly into the other barrier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8PTeFDaYU

But the crash from the car wreckage was not like that it, had front and back damage meaning it spun so the force was not sudden like in the vid and that it was a lesser impact.

 

[Scania]

you don't die doing 30mph even 40 mph even 60mph you should survive a crash into a barrier

Unfortunately, many people do get killed in low speed crashes.

 

[Wicksta]

That overnight argument looks like a competition between motors and GD to see who has the dumbest poster. Stalemate.

 

[Witor]

Read my mind

 

[[TW]Fox]

Given my history with motorsport, I should hope I'm faster than your average Joe.

I am waiting for the day on here where we learn about something you don't have a massive opinion of your own ability in. I mean wow, you seem to be A1+ at everything!

 

[MikeHiow]

But the crash from the car wreckage was not like that it, had front and back damage meaning it spun so the force was not sudden like in the vid and that it was a lesser impact.

I see, so you're a crash investigator now, are you?

I am waiting for the day on here where we learn about something you don't have a massive opinion of your own ability in. I mean wow, you seem to be A1+ at everything!

It was completely in context to the argument that just because one person deems a spirited drive unsafe based on their own experience, doesn't mean everyone else suffers the same way.