What is the highest fluoride toothpaste available?

[Destination]

Fluoride is put into the water to make the population apathetic and lethargic mentally...

Seriously, who do you think actually adds it for this purpose?
In what regions of the country it is done, and in what regions is it not done, and who adds it for this purpose? Who made the decision groen, who does it benefit?

Look at what you are typing. Maybe you should try some Lithium? (oh sorry medical advice, shouldn't have typed that)

 

[Destination]

Isn't this a little off topic. Shouldn't you be commenting on the OP as per your own criticism of me (unfairly) earlier.

Hypocrite.

If you look at my first post on this thread, I answered the OP, many many months ago.
Sorry for being unfair to you.

 

[Glaucus]

I was merely making a point that adding chemicals to water is not for what they say it is, there has been no proof that fluoride helps the teeth, there is actually studies that it damages teeth in children..

It can cause "problems in under 4 year olds if the the dosage is to high. although it's not really a problem.

Fluoride's adverse effects depend on total fluoride dosage from all sources. At the commonly recommended dosage, the only clear adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children's teeth during tooth development; this is mostly mild and is unlikely to represent any real effect on aesthetic appearance or on public health.[10] The critical period of exposure is between ages one and four years, with the risk ending around age eight.

There are lots of studies showing a 30-60% effectiveness however these reports have a few floors in them. However it is unlikely the possitive effects will be wiped clean by new reports.

This is why we need new reports with the several mistakes being removed so we can see actual advantage and then decide.

Fluoride is put into the water to make the population apathetic and lethargic mentally, as well as a cost effective way to dispose of a chemical by product of manufacturing.

Citation needed and that is not the only way fluoride is produced.

Fluoride can occur naturally in water in concentrations well above recommended levels, which can have several long-term adverse effects, including severe dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis, and weakened bones.[45] The World Health Organization recommends a guideline maximum fluoride value of 1.5 mg/L as a level at which fluorosis should be minimal.[57]

 

[anything I don't mind]

I am not going to argue all day about it, i have given you the information that convinced me, you can do what you want with that. good luck.

 

[Glaucus]

information .

That's not evidence in any shape or form.
As we know you are influenced very easily and are a CT just look at all the past threads. we want actually clinical trials or at least supporting evidence of these effects at these small quantities.

 

[Wicksta]

lol groen

 

[Burnsy2023]

I am not going to argue all day about it, i have given you the information that convinced me, you can do what you want with that. good luck.

You need to a) critically evaluate sources b) have more/better proof before you believe something.

 

[Glaucus]

You need to a) critically evaluate sources b) have more/better proof before you believe something.

Trouble is he wont even admit he was wrong in the end of oil thread about water being used as a direct power source. Even though his own video said it was converted to hydrogen/oxygen first.

 

[aardvark]

lol groen

one to add to the lol magick list.

 

[D.P.]

basically, in my eyes, putting anything in you thats not food or a proven medicine is pointless at best and generally detremental

Fluoride is a proven medicine!

 

[Castiel]

Fluoride is a proven medicine!

Indeed, which begs the question, "should we be forcing medical treatment onto the public without their permission?"

 

[D.P.]

no one is forced to drink tap-water. People are free to buy bottled water with naturally higher concentrations of fluoride!

 

[Castiel]

no one is forced to drink tap-water. People are free to buy bottled water with naturally higher concentrations of fluoride!

No one is forced to drink unfluoridated drinking water, if they want fluoridated water they can buy it separately.

By fluoridating the running water supply you are indeed forcing medical treatment onto those who cannot afford bottled water.

 

[Mr_Sean]

FLUORIDE TRUTH hits the TV in AUSTRALIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBRBPgTOt0

Recent news clip from aus.

You're wasting your time arguing with these people they're the same types who sit there quaffing diet coke, stuffing their bellies with MSG flavor crisps, parroting everything they hear in main stream media whilst planning their next trip to the pharmacy to pick up their repeat prescription for Prozac (FLUOxetine), Statins and Viagra.

I don't think they get it. Too many people on the planet as it is - if they want to neck **** roach poison let em be. Pest control works.

 

[Glaucus]

if they want to neck **** roach poison let em be. Pest control works.

do you realise how ridiculous that statement is.

Lets look at iodine, it is vital for the body and normall function yet

Elemental iodine is an oxidizing irritant and direct contact with skin can cause lesions, so iodine crystals should be handled with care. Solutions with high elemental iodine concentration such as tincture of iodine and Lugol's solution are capable of causing tissue damage if use for cleaning and antisepsis is prolonged.

Elemental iodine (I2) is poisonous if taken orally in larger amounts; 2–3 grams of it is a lethal dose for an adult human.

Iodine vapor is very irritating to the eye, to mucous membranes, and in the respiratory tract. Concentration of iodine in the air should not exceed 1 mg/m³ (eight-hour time-weighted average).

When mixed with ammonia and water, elemental iodine forms nitrogen triiodide which is extremely shock sensitive and can explode unexp

Does that mean you are going to avoid it and make sure you eat nothing which contains it and then get ill.

Also show me any research that shows MSG is dangerous.

 

[Mr_Sean]

do you realise how ridiculous that statement is.

Lets look at iodine, it is vital for the body and normal function yet



Does that mean you are going to avoid it and make sure you eat nothing which contains it and then get ill.

Also show me any research that shows MSG is dangerous.

Yes Iodine is vital for the functioning of the thyroid amongst other things and ironically there is a sever shortage of it in the western diet. However, Sodium Fluoride is a toxic waste product of the aluminium industry and has no place being ingested into the human body. Would you injest lead or aluminium then, using your logic they must be good for you since they are both toxic also.

As for MSG - will this do for you? I could find more but do your own research - It's your body not mine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20057976

We demonstrated that (1) Treatment with MSG induces a dose-dependent swelling and death of mature neurons (12-14 days in culture) with little effect on young immature neurons (<1 week in culture). The threshold concentration of MSG for neuronal injury is 3 microM; (2) MSG only injures neurons with little effect on glial cells; (3) Boiling MSG does not affect its toxicity but the addition of Vitamin C provides significant protection against MSG toxicity; (4) Pretreatment of neurons with a low dose of MSG reduces subsequent injury by a large dose of MSG. Together, our studies suggest that the side effect of MSG may be mediated, at least in part, by its toxic effect on brain neurons. Pre-exposure to low doses of MSG or the use of Vitamin C may prevent or reduce the side effects of MSG.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) subcutaneously administrated to neonatal rats induces several neurochemical alterations in the brain, which have been associated with an excitotoxic process triggered by an over activation of glutamate receptors;....

...Altered behavior found in animals treated with MSG suggests an initial seizure situation...
...only two MSG injections could be sufficient to resemble a seizure and/or excitotoxic model.

 

[Castiel]

Also show me any research that shows MSG is dangerous.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12522521?dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12384093?dopt=Abstract

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(97)80008-5/abstract

Whether it is dangerous enough to be banned or limited remains to be seen, but like most things it can be dangerous in some people.

The same is true of fluoride tolerance, so routinely adding it to the water supply for questionable health benefits is un-neccessary.

Better to educate people better in oral hygiene and improve access to dental health practitioners for the poor.

 

[Glaucus]

Again rats and mice tests as well as culture tests are not valid. They merely show what could be looked at in humans.

Results: Sixty-one subjects entered the study. On initial challenge, 18 (29.5%) responded to neither MSG nor placebo, 6 (9.8%) to both, 15 (24.6%) to placebo, and 22 (36.1%) to MSG (p=0.324). Total and average severity of symptoms after ingestion of MSG (374 and 80) were greater than respective values after placebo ingestion (232 and 56; p=0.026 and 0.018, respectively). Rechallenge revealed an apparent threshold dose for reactivity of 2.5 gm MSG. Headache (p<0.023), muscle tightness (p<0.004), numbness/tingling (p<0.007), general weakness (p<0.040), and flushing (p<0.016) occurred more frequently after MSG than placebo ingestion

merely shows some people might be allergic to it.

and shall we ignore all the other reports I'm sure you looked at.

The same is true of fluoride tolerance, so routinely adding it to the water supply for questionable health benefits is un-neccessary.

I'm not arguing either way on that, I have already said I would like to see new reports done to determine effectiveness.

I am merely targeting stupid statements like it's a poison, scream and run away comments. Everything is a poison in a high enough dosage.

 

[*Moangroan*]

Fluoride is a proven medicine!

Thats not what is going into your water silicoflouride is. Which is not proven medicine.

 

[Mr_Sean]

Again rats and mice tests as well as culture tests are not valid. They merely show what could be looked at in humans.

It goes a little deeper than allergies, it's a neuro /excito-toxin....

Current research links MSG to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer’s, Huntington’s, Parkinson’s, and Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS).

FDA records show that MSG was never actually tested, but it was given an automatic GRAS (generally regarded as safe) status as were salt and pepper in the 1950s.

Children and elderly are most vulnerable to the degenerative effects of MSG.