3yr old baby battered to death

[franco_22]

I smack my one year old daughter on the hand if she does something naughty. That is reasonable chastisement. Don't dare compare me to someone throwing a 3 year old against a wall.

I wasn't referring to parents who lightly smack their child when they "do something naughty". I was referring to parents who excuse themselves when beating children with belts or in the case of A v United Kingdom [1998] 27 EHRR 611 (look it up), where a nine year old boy was beaten with a cane and bruised severely by his step father. The jury found his step father innocent on the grounds of reasonable chastisement. The case was taken to the European Court of Human Rights who obviously found the UKs law had failed to provide adequate protection to the child from abuse and degrading treatment (Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights).
That's just one example, how many deaths do we see every year from parents abuse?

Since Sweden banned physical punishment to children in 1979 only 1 child has died at the hands of their parents in the last 20 years.

 

[RDM]

Since Sweden banned physical punishment to children in 1979 only 1 child has died at the hands of their parents in the last 20 years.

This isn't true. There has been one highly publicised case but Sweden isn't some sort of utopia for children. Also considering their much smaller population I would expect a much smaller number of deaths.

 

[antijoke]

Man, why do people do this to children.?

It makes me so sad.

 

[Cuchulain]

Man, why do people do this to children.?

It makes me so sad.

I can't fathom it myself, it made me feel a bit sick reading it.

 

[The Running Man]

This isn't true. There has been one highly publicised case but Sweden isn't some sort of utopia for children. Also considering their much smaller population I would expect a much smaller number of deaths.

they gave us Basshunter. if swedish children turn out like that, id say their future is in jeapardy.

 

[antijoke]

I can't fathom it myself, it made me feel a bit sick reading it.

Neither can I.

I mean screaming at a child so it wets itself and making it lick spilt soup, I mean come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with people. I know a screaming child can take you to your wits ends but doing that?!?!?!?!?!

 

[agnes]

Very tragic indeed... But I can't help notice the sign put up by the parents...

"Fanx to all who put sumit hear from Ryan's mom and dad x"

Surely people with this intellect shouldn't be allowed children?

ags

 

[steve-h]

Very tragic indeed... But I can't help notice the sign put up by the parents...

"Fanx to all who put sumit hear from Ryan's mom and dad x"

Surely people with this intellect shouldn't be allowed children?

ags

Parents look like complete morons, child had no chance...

 

[Deific]

Very tragic indeed... But I can't help notice the sign put up by the parents...

"Fanx to all who put sumit hear from Ryan's mom and dad x"

Surely people with this intellect shouldn't be allowed children?

ags

Where does it say that? If that is indeed something they put up, then it just says plenty about them as parents.

 

[Tefal]

In the bbc video.

 

[agnes]

In the bbc video.

Jesus, just re read it, I didn't even see the 'has put' part...

ags

 

[Vonhelmet]

I wasn't referring to parents who lightly smack their child when they "do something naughty". I was referring to parents who excuse themselves when beating children with belts or in the case of A v United Kingdom [1998] 27 EHRR 611 (look it up), where a nine year old boy was beaten with a cane and bruised severely by his step father. The jury found his step father innocent on the grounds of reasonable chastisement. The case was taken to the European Court of Human Rights who obviously found the UKs law had failed to provide adequate protection to the child from abuse and degrading treatment (Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights).
That's just one example, how many deaths do we see every year from parents abuse?

The trouble is that the laws are completely unenforceable and arguably unnecessary. We already have laws for causing actual harm to people, so why have specific, unenforceable laws for causing harm to children?

My point is this: Any parent who can use restrained physical correction - like me - believes that they are right to do so, and they very probably are, and they are not a danger in their use of physical correction. Any parent who does not use physical correction and believes it to be wrong is also implicitly not a danger. The people who are a danger are those without self control or with an agenda to harm children, and they aren't even engaged in the "debate" and they don't care either way anyway. The law shouldn't need to say "you can strike a child so long as you don't leave a mark" because the overwhelming majority of people using physical correction for discipline is likely restrained enough, and anyone using it to beat a child implicitly doesn't care.

This case is child abuse, and the issue of discipline or chastisement is irrelevant.

 

[unknownsock]

Thats what happens when you leave kids to chavs.

Oh god i hate that word.
It's so commonly used and still no-one understands its meaning.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Where does it say that? If that is indeed something they put up, then it just says plenty about them as parents.

I'm pretty sure that there are just as many people mistreating children who have grammar that can get past all our OCUK Grammar Nazi's.

Bad grammar = bad parent

 

[Mason-]

Thats so horrible. Chance of that child's life gone.

 

[tr1cky]

Lunatics

 

[JodieO]

The problem is the state of care though. You take every child in to care where abuse is suspected and you are going to end up with a whole load of problems. For a start you will take kids off innocent parents and secondly even an abusive home may well be better than state care provision. There is no better way to mess up a childs chances than by putting them in to our care system. These cases where children are tortured to death are very rare and basing your system around them is going to cause more problems than it solves.

I know they're rare but many lives are still ruined by abusive parents. I don't know the answer to this but it just shouldn't be allowed. A person that abuses their children shouldn't be allowed anywhere near them and if they had any decency they'd leave the poor children alone to get over what had happened to them. I'm sure there must be other family members willing to help in most cases too so that the children wouldn't need to put put into care.

I suppose long term the state of the care system would need to be overhauled in this country but it's something that should at least be worked towards and not left to fester as it seems there are always selfish and pathetic people that would abuse their own children and think it's OK.