Gurkha ordered back to UK after beheading dead Taliban fighter

[Vonhelmet]

"This is considered a gross insult to the Muslims of Afghanistan, who bury the entire body of their dead even if parts have to be retrieved."

About what about when the Taliban cut off the heads of poor innocent reporters???

The poor innocent reporters are not Muslims. On the off chance that they were, they would be deemed by the Taliban to "not be proper Muslims" anyway.

I sometimes wonder if you people are even awake when you type these things.

 

[meghatronic]

"This is considered a gross insult to the Muslims of Afghanistan, who bury the entire body of their dead even if parts have to be retrieved."

About what about when the Taliban cut off the heads of poor innocent reporters???

Logic failure? That's why they do it... they're being inflammatory and insulting. We're supposed to rise above it and set a moral example.

 

[Castiel]

I sometimes wonder if you people are even awake when you type these things.

Brain dead.

 

[Amnesia]

I think it's a great shame we had to go into Iraq and Afghanistan alone. The united nations needs to grow some balls all bark no bite.

We went in because of George Bush and him alone, If Bush hadn't decided to invade Iraq then we would be nowhere near the place.

 

[meghatronic]

We went in because of George Bush and him alone, If Bush hadn't decided to invade Iraq then we would be nowhere near the place.

/facepalm.

Yes as the President just woke up one day and completely independently decided to do something with no council, guidance, advice, due process, military consultation, NATO talks, UN talks or anything. He just wanted to do something, so did it.

I swear these forums need an intelligence test before people can sign up.

 

[Vonhelmet]

We went in because of George Bush and him alone, If Bush hadn't decided to invade Iraq then we would be nowhere near the place.

Far more likely it was Cheney and Rumsfeld, both of whom are massively invested in the military-industrial complex, and companies like Halliburton, Lockheed-Martin, etc.

 

[Amnesia]

You cannot know that as we have no way of knowing the overall situation had Saddaam Hussein been allowed to continue. He and his regime were a threat to the entire region and as such trying to say what the consequences were are impossible.

he was a threat to the entire region ? can you name what he did in the last 8 years before the invasion that were so threatening ? also how many were being killed since you say there is no way of knowing which way more would have died.

That would depend entirely on the ethnic group you belonged to. We spent 3 months protecting Kurds from Iraqi reprisals for example.

is that after Bush told them to uprise against Saddam ?

 

[The Running Man]

Exactly, he was a threat to the region and our security. A good enough reason to oust the bugger.

but as it turned out the brutality of the Saddam regime was actually the thing that kept iraq stable in its own way.

our democratic process cannot handle the 2 diverse faction in iraq.

i expect iraq to crumble pretty soon, and become a dictatorship with more bloodshed again in the next decade or less.

 

[Amnesia]

/facepalm.

Yes as the President just woke up one day and completely independently decided to do something with no council, guidance, advice, due process, military consultation, NATO talks, UN talks or anything. He just wanted to do something, so did it.

I swear these forums need an intelligence test before people can sign up.

sounds like him but thats not what i wrote....so why quote me

 

[Amnesia]

Far more likely it was Cheney and Rumsfeld, both of whom are massively invested in the military-industrial complex, and companies like Halliburton, Lockheed-Martin, etc.

yes ofcourse there would be people around him influencing him but the end decision lay with George Bush.

 

[meghatronic]

sounds like him but thats not what i wrote....so why quote me

Que?

 

[Amnesia]

Que?

what ?


why don't you read my earlier post again and try again ?

 

[meghatronic]

why don't you read my earlier post again and try again ?

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I think it's a great shame we had to go into Iraq and Afghanistan alone. The united nations needs to grow some balls all bark no bite. Would also add many more options before all out war.

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We went in because of George Bush and him alone, If Bush hadn't decided to invade Iraq then we would be nowhere near the place.

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/facepalm.

Yes as the President just woke up one day and completely independently decided to do something [obvious sarcasm] with no council, guidance, advice, due process, military consultation, NATO talks, UN talks or anything. He just wanted to do something, so did it.

I swear these forums need an intelligence test before people can sign up.

4)

sounds like him but thats not what i wrote....so why quote me

I'm sorry, I'm a little tired, but I don't understand your grievance. Bold bit should tally.

 

[gettothechopper]

i expect iraq to crumble pretty soon, and become a dictatorship with more bloodshed again in the next decade or less.

thats because you are extrememly pessimistic and negative, judging from most of your posts on here

Back on topic, this thread is 98% uninformed speculation and about 2% fact

 

[willhub]

Good on the Gurkha, takes the **** them sending him back :\

 

[Amnesia]

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I'm sorry, I'm a little tired, but I don't understand your grievance. Bold bit should tally.

ahh i get it...thing is WE aren't American so if WE(being the UK) decided to follow suit after Bush, that doesn't say a word about how he came to the decision about invading Iraq.....

 

[The Running Man]

thats because you are extrememly pessimistic and negative, judging from most of your posts on here

Back on topic, this thread is 98% uninformed speculation and about 2% fact

well thats not my opinion per se' thats the opinion of the iraqis;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/22/us-soldier-killed-attack-iraq

The last US combat brigade in Iraq crossed the border into Kuwait on Thursday, fulfilling President Obama's pledge to end combat operations by the end of this month.

The troops' departure has left many Iraqis apprehensive, with some predicting a rapid regression towards sectarian fighting.

Iyad Othman, a Fallujah policeman, said: "Now that they are gone for good, the situation will not continue to improve. They are surrendering the country to the Iranians."

In Baghdad the mood remains fearful. "It scares me to think that the Americans are leaving," said Umm Ali, 33, in the streets of Arasat, a well-to-do suburb. "If 144,000 soldiers could not control the situation here, how will things improve when there are only 50,000 here and they all stay in their camps?

"Obama did not think about Iraq's interests when he pressed ahead with this withdrawal," she said. "It is a very bad decision, and so is the timing. He should wait for a new government to be formed, one that is strong and can establish – then respect – the rule of law."

Ali Fidel, 40, a public servant in the agriculture ministry, was dismissive of US claims that Iraqi forces had been readied to fill the void left by departing US troops. He said: "If we take a look at the last two months in Iraq, security has now deteriorated to what it was in 2008. I think it will collapse after 31 August, and the country will then be in chaos.

"The Iraqi forces are not ready to work. They don't have the equipment to protect themselves, so how will they protect the civilians?"

Muner Salam, 50, a doctor from Mansour in west Baghdad, said: "Since 2003, Iraq has been destroyed day by day. Political parties and officials are too busy feuding over how to improve their own positions. The Americans cannot control it and now they decide to leave it to ruin.

"There is no government, no infrastructure, and daily explosions targeting doctors and judges. I am pessimistic. I think the country will face enormous challenges, and will not gain victories quickly. It will take a long time to control security."

so... im being overly pessimistic or are you are simply not accepting the mavity of the situation?

 

[Castiel]

he was a threat to the entire region ? can you name what he did in the last 8 years before the invasion that were so threatening ? also how many were being killed since you say there is no way of knowing which way more would have died.

You might want to talk to the Marsh Shi'ite Arabs of Iraq, what is left of them anyway.

Why only 8 years, is there some kind of international statute of limitation on crimes against humanity?

"hold on chaps, we gotta wait 8 years before we can do this again"...

Anyway during the post war era, he destroyed 95% of the Marsh Arab homelands, ruthlessly put down Kurdish and shi'ite uprisings against the brutality being shown toward them, set up rape rooms and torture rooms for dissident factions and their families.

He repeatedly violated the no-fly zones, he violated sanctions imposed by the UN on numerous occasions, Iraqi refusal to allow weapons inspectors free access which led to the accusations (no found to be false) of WMD's. Domestic repression led by his son's, rhetoric by members of his party against Israel and Iran threatened the stability of the region. Tacit support of Syrian and Lebonese terror organisations through his Ba'ath Parties presence in both regions, Hussein himself admitted he falsely encouraged the belief that he possessed nuclear weapons in order to appear strong against Iran.

 

[Castiel]

but as it turned out the brutality of the Saddam regime was actually the thing that kept iraq stable in its own way.

our democratic process cannot handle the 2 diverse faction in iraq.

i expect iraq to crumble pretty soon, and become a dictatorship with more bloodshed again in the next decade or less.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

But was openly hostile and resistant to AQ at the same time.

Strange.