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Is this a nice gaming PC spec?

But, would anyone, see a difference between the 5870 and the 460 in 'Real' life? I am not talking about benchmarks now.

Again, Phenom 955, would anyone see the difference on screen between that and the 640?

Answer: No.
 
But, would anyone, see a difference between the 5870 and the 460 in 'Real' life? I am not talking about benchmarks now.

Answer: No.

lol

5870 in REAL life is far superior to the the 460. That is why it is twice as much, give or take a few pounds.
 
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But, would anyone, see a difference between the 5870 and the 460 in 'Real' life? I am not talking about benchmarks now.

Again, Phenom 955, would anyone see the difference on screen between that and the 640?

Answer: No.

Maybe not right now depending on resolution or if you play crysis.... but at some point you will yes. The more expensive components will continue to play games at decent frames for longer. Personally the 460 and the phenom 955 would be my choice as the 460 is an all round great performer for a really good price and the phenom is much more the gaming chip than the athlon. Both are current tech and will last you a while.
 
But, would anyone, see a difference between the 5870 and the 460 in 'Real' life? I am not talking about benchmarks now.

Again, Phenom 955, would anyone see the difference on screen between that and the 640?

Answer: No.

With all due respect - LOL!! Are you serious?!

Phenom II is faster than Athlon II clock for clock, even without the MHz difference between the two CPUs in question here. 5870 is faster than 470, is faster than 5850, is faster than 460.

Of course you'll notice it in real life - you'll notice it as directly as one can possibly notice a difference in hardware performance - in game FPS! Especially at the resolution of that monitor and in modern games. You'll notice it a damn site more than the effect of how much the case cost, whether it has a window or not, how much the peripherals cost etc etc. I agree benchmarks aren't the be all and end all, but gaming benchmarks are a decent measure of gaming performance, and will all show the spec I suggested weeing on anything else.

You keep stating gaming is the sole reason for being for this rig, how mad about gaming your nephew is, etc, so I've given you the best gaming performance possible for your budget. If you don't want it suit yourself. I know what I'd want if I were the nephew. :)
 
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Yea, but would you actually see the difference? I doubt it. It is all about benchmarking for some.

Yes you can. The difference between a 5770 and a 5870 is quite amazing at times. On a 24' monitor a 5770 / 460 could not cope with the settings maxed out on a modern game. You can with a 5870 in most instances.

Graphics are crisper and smoother. :)
 
ill re highlight my point again.:)

that OcUK Cream 22" that has been picked, is basically a bottleneck.
it has 2ms responce great,, but the contrast is terrible at 5000:1

the Monitor and GPU go hand in hand to give you the lifelike visuals
you want in >GAMES< wot use would the best Graphics card be wen
you have a Cornflakes box as your output.

forget the sidewindow and fancy keyboard and mouse.
you can get nice backlit keyboards a lot cheaper than the sidewinder.

Infest in wot your nephew is going to be "staring at" when hes playing his games.

this Samsung monitor is an absolute steal at this price in my opinion. with 50,000:1 contrast and 2ms responce time

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-117-SA

:) gl
 
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Don't get too hung up in consumer-level manufacturer's marketing bs about contrast ratios though. Anything in the 10's of thousands and they're certainly quoting dynamic contrast ratios and not revealing the creative (being kind - downright misleading being honest) ways in which they are measuring it. Just look at the range of values on OCUK monitors - we have anything from 1000:1 to 5000000:1!! You dont really think there'll be a visible 5000-fold difference in contrast between the highest and lowest monitors, do you? Contrast ratios have basically been murdered by marketing departments and are now a pretty useless figure for comparing products between brands. Blame TVs.

In pro monitor circles where they generally dont bother with the bs you wont see anything above a few thousand in the contrast specs. My EIZO IPS at work is 1000:1 and so is my relatively lowly Nec TN at home, and believe me they are both pretty damn sweet.

Response time is also subject to marketing bs unless you know (and you certainly wont be told) whether they're measuring grey to grey or full on off. At 60Hz a frame lasts 16.7ms, so even 5ms is perfectly fine. Mine is 5ms and I have no detectable blurring/ghosting at all, and I'm a pretty harsh judge in that regard as I only finally gave up my 19" Dell Ultrasharp CRT a couple of months ago (and already miss custom resolutions for MAME :().

That said i agree with you fully that the OP could spend more than the bare minimum on the monitor. My spec above was an extreme skew towards GPU for ultimate gaming performance to show what was possible among suggestions of 5770/460. The OP would probably be better advised to go for a 470 or 5850 and free up some cash to spend on a better monitor/peripherals. The Sammy you suggest looks pretty good.
 
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ill re highlight my point again.:)

that OcUK Cream 22" that has been picked, is basically a bottleneck.
it has 2ms responce great,, but the contrast is terrible at 5000:1

the Monitor and GPU go hand in hand to give you the lifelike visuals
you want in >GAMES< wot use would the best Graphics card be wen
you have a Cornflakes box as your output.

forget the sidewindow and fancy keyboard and mouse.
you can get nice backlit keyboards a lot cheaper than the sidewinder.

Infest in wot your nephew is going to be "staring at" when hes playing his games.

this Samsung monitor is an absolute steal at this price in my opinion. with 50,000:1 contrast and 2ms responce time

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-117-SA

:) gl

So you are saying monitors are crap without a high contrast ratio?

You do know that most of the time, its dynamic contrast or hugely overstated?

It's the panel inside what matters, a 5000:1 TN panel will be inferior to a 3000:1 IPS panel.

But, would anyone, see a difference between the 5870 and the 460 in 'Real' life? I am not talking about benchmarks now.

Again, Phenom 955, would anyone see the difference on screen between that and the 640?

Answer: No.

Hahahahaha that's the best thing I've heard today! You will 'feel' the difference between the 460 and 5870 as the image will be more smoother and detailed because you can crank up the settings.

OP, you are not going to get a windowed case for your budget. Bust out the dremels if you want a window.

Go for a Antec PSU if you want modular on a budget - they are very good.
 
So you are saying monitors are crap without a high contrast ratio?
You do know that most of the time, its dynamic contrast or hugely overstated?
It's the panel inside what matters, a 5000:1 TN panel will be inferior to a 3000:1 IPS panel.

No im not saying that they are completly crap. its gonna do a good job
in offices and people who just browse the internet and send emails.

but lets look at the OPs situation and needs. this rig is getting
built for "gaming" and gaming on the PC is the best way to do it.
If he donsnt want his games looking the best it can be, then he
may aswell just buy a Nintendo Wii for his nephew.

now the GPUs thats been touted for this build is gonna provide
some sick looking visuals and just as much colour as the human eye
can see. so you need the specifications to back that up or as i said
wots the point in the higher end cards.:confused:

So if 50,000:1 provides "FAR more" colour range than 5000:1
then it should be a no brainer if you want your games to look the best.
if i didnt want quality picture and speed in my games then
id still be using the 10year old monitor iv sitting in my shed and have
the price of a 24"HD monitor still in my pocket.

as for the Responce time.
well its 99% that his nephew is going to game
online because broadband is almost part of the furniture now in most houses
across the uk. the main issue with online gaming is "Latency" the lower you have, the better.
you want the server to register your bullets first rather than the guy your facing in a mexican standoff.:eek:
The quality of the broadband is 90% of it, but if you have a faster responce
monitor to keep up with the latest "First Person Shooter" games then
all the better for the outcome. as tesco would say "every little helps":D

i dont think these monitors are priced £50 more for no reason. its clear why they are and who ther aimed at.
my favourite saying "you get what you pay for";)

:cool:
 
So you are saying monitors are crap without a high contrast ratio?

You do know that most of the time, its dynamic contrast or hugely overstated?

It's the panel inside what matters, a 5000:1 TN panel will be inferior to a 3000:1 IPS panel.



Hahahahaha that's the best thing I've heard today! You will 'feel' the difference between the 460 and 5870 as the image will be more smoother and detailed because you can crank up the settings.

OP, you are not going to get a windowed case for your budget. Bust out the dremels if you want a window.

Go for a Antec PSU if you want modular on a budget - they are very good.

Benchmark buddies i guess. Hung up on benchmarks and not real world images.

On a 22" TFT the 460 would be more than ample for my nephew to play games with, plus the 640 Athlon is no slouch and will do the job fine.
 
as for the Responce time.
well its 99% that his nephew is going to game
online because broadband is almost part of the furniture now in most houses
across the uk. the main issue with online gaming is "Latency" the lower you have, the better.
you want the server to register your bullets first rather than the guy your facing in a mexican standoff.:eek:
The quality of the broadband is 90% of it, but if you have a faster responce
monitor to keep up with the latest "First Person Shooter" games then
all the better for the outcome. as tesco would say "every little helps":D

:cool:

If you're trying to use broadband speed as an analogy for response time, then I think you're confusing response time and input lag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag
 
If you're trying to use broadband speed as an analogy for response time, then I think you're confusing response time and input lag.

i was linking them both together for a better overall result. i think i stated that. :)

if the monitor can change pixels faster and keep up with your
movements in a fast paced first person shooter game. then the
server your playing on will send a more acurate finished version
of your movements.

all the people who are well into their games know the issues with registery
and can feel the responce from games easier. so if things here and ther
can influence the outcome all the better. his nephew will learn this and he will start to make changes himself anyway. so i guess its up to you guys
just to get a solid foundation down for him.:)
 
Is this going for the longest spec me thread in guiness book of records or something?

Nah it can probably end now. The OP gave a budget and stated several times it's specifically a gaming rig, but doesn't seem interested in putting together the best gaming rig for the budget anymore, and has decided an old athlon II and a 460 will be ideal, even though the budget would allow a phenom II and a 5870! He seems to think the only reason for hardware faster than an athlon II and a 460 is benchmarking e-peen, and that the difference wont be noticed in modern games at 1920x1080:confused: Dont know whether to lol or sigh.
Oh well - the ignorance isn't my loss. Just glad I'm not the nephew in question :).
 
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Nah it can probably end now. The OP gave a budget and stated several times it's specifically a gaming rig, but doesn't seem interested in putting together the best gaming rig for the budget anymore, and has decided an old athlon II and a 460 will be ideal, even though the budget would allow a phenom II and a 5870! He seems to think the only reason for hardware faster than an athlon II and a 460 is benchmarking e-peen, and that the difference wont be noticed in modern games at 1920x1080 Dont know whether to lol or sigh.
Oh well - the ignorance isn't my loss. Just glad I'm not the nephew in question .

i totally agree Laim. im only spending a couple of hundred more and thanks
to the guys on this forum its going to be a BEAST. and the extra couple of
hundred is for items that this guys potential rig doesnt have. (SSD for eg)
so bar a few pounds extra here and there on each piece we have a similar budget.

im only new to the forum and only give suggestions on basic things.
im by no means a pro hardware analyst but im smart enuff to read
and understand excellent advice wen i see it.

if people come on and ask for advice then dont listen then let them be.
the eventual build may look(questionable) and feel good the day he gets it,, but
with the great advice falling on deaf ears it will deteriorate rapidly.
more rapidly than normal.

gl with build im out :cool:
 
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I have been keeping an eye on this thread and all the suggestions have been taken on board by me at least!! :D

Cheers lads.
 
Budget is tight. My nephew really wants a case with a window, really wants an illuminated keyboard etc. I have to factor those into the budget whatever anyone says.

His mum and dad don't have a lot of money.

I am reading what people are saying but some components are out of the budget.

Can someone spec me what i 'actually' want for £900 max?

Needs:

Quad Core
Good Mobo
4gig ram
dvd writer
Good PSU
500+ Hard drive
Good GPU
22" TFT
Illumintaed keyboard
Laser mouse
Win 7 64bit
Case has been decided as he chose the Antec 900 two, black


I await anybodys help. Max £900 budget, no more and must have said items.+
 
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£1.50 change :D

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