Have a look at this.

[DM]

She failed a roadside breath test IIRC.

She was not given a roadside breath test, there is absolutely nothing to say she was even still drunk when arrested.

I think she just had the hump about them driving her mad in her car and it all escalated once at the police station.

You just need to put this down as not being one of plods finest hours.

Also it wasnt just a black eye, she needed stitches.

 

[^TANK^]

yes actually i have very long time ago.

Me also in my youth, so why are you sticking up for this nasty power tripping ****

 

['Wes]

Once i saw former soldier, i kinda new what i was expecting.

 

[Twentyone]

She failed a roadside breath test IIRC.

I only understood it as that she refused to take a breath test. I'm just curious to know if the behaviour was a reaction the the things happening or the alcohol
And also if there was a reason why she refused to do the test. Even if she claims she was never asked to do one!

Too much different info given by the media makes it hard to find what was really true :/

 

[Burnsy2023]

She was not given a roadside breath test, there is absolutely nothing to say she was even still drunk when arrested.

I think she just had the hump about them driving her mad in her car and it all escalated once at the police station.

Do you have a source for this? I've not seen that been mentioned before.

 

[Deluxe1]

I'm sure worse attacks happen every weekend and they dont get put away for 6 months for them.

 

[DM]

Do you have a source for this? I've not seen that been mentioned before.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ce-officer-facing-sack-over-cell-assault.html

About half way down, she refused a breath test. Which means jack, its just as likely to mean she was annoyed at being driven mad for having a kip in the car as that she was drunk.

The rest is just my opinion, but without wanting to get back into another row, what difference does it make how why or when she ended up in the police station?

Im assuming you are a copper, and i can appreciate you wanting to side with a fellow officer, but this is dire, you also mention a member of the public might not have got a custodial, what relevance has that got? Members of the public are not being paid to run custody suites.

I honestly have to wonder about anyone who does not just condemn this out of hand, it dosent matter why, what matters is it happened.

 

[DM]

I'm sure worse attacks happen every weekend and they dont get put away for 6 months for them.

Thats not the point, the point is he was a copper, and depending how you look at it, whats worse than that is 5 other coppers stood and watched.

This is not like when we used to have a fight at football on a saturday with like minded idiots, this a copper bashing up a pensioner.

 

[Surfer]

Me also in my youth, so why are you sticking up for this nasty power tripping ****

hrmm at about 1:16 mins when he is dragging her to the cells - does he hit her in the face?

Scrap what i said before then - was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.


why is she taken twice to the cells? Once with another officer helping and once where he drags her?

The fact the video is HEAVILY edited doesnt help either. Notably it doesnt edit out the the emotional content.

I had a quick look on the internet to try to get information that was not "calling for his blood" (ie overly emotive) - couldnt find any. Fair enough he is in the wrong but would at least like to hear news which tries to give the full picture. e.g. we dont hear if the police officer had and exemplary record prior to this incident. Or was he always like this? Does he always treat prisoners like this? etc.

 

[JBuk]

There was no justification whatsoever for that level of force to be used against a fairly passive female.

The fact a fellow officer informed on him speaks volumes.

aye and a judge with a lot more evidence to look at than us convicted him

it dosent matter why, what matters is it happened.

yep

and for those trying to justify his actions , would you hold the same opinion if it was your mum/dad/aunt/gran/brother/friend ,etc who had been treated like that?

 

[Surfer]

Is it possible to get a hold of the details of the case from the court? In other words to see the report of what evidence was presented to the court.

 

[Robbo]

and for those trying to justify his actions , would you hold the same opinion if it was your mum/dad/aunt/gran/brother/friend ,etc who had been treated like that?

I would not expect them to be drunk and potentially in charge of a vehicle, or to refuse a breath test, or to act abusively toward the police.

 

[JBuk]

I would not expect them to be drunk and potentially in charge of a vehicle, or to refuse a breath test, or to act abusively toward the police.

that didn't really answer the question, your mum/dad etc could be arrested for many reasons, they don't necessarily have to be guilty of anything

tbh though your tone sounds to me like you're trying to justify people being assaulted due to the circumstances of them being arrested

 

[Robbo]

that didn't really answer the question, your mum/dad etc could be arrested for many reasons, they don't necessarily have to be guilty of anything

tbh though your tone sounds to me like you're trying to justify people being assaulted due to the circumstances of them being arrested

Not at all, but this woman wasn't acting appropriately from what I understand, but nor was the officer in question.

If you are arrested and haven't done anything wrong, that does not give you the grounds to act however the hell you want and swear and refuse to co-operate with the police does it?

 

[Cosimo]

Policeman sentenced to 6 months :

Lol at people thinking he did n...ellent news the scumbag got what he deserved.

 

[JBuk]

Not at all, but this woman wasn't acting appropriately from what I understand, but nor was the officer in question.

If you are arrested and haven't done anything wrong, that does not give you the grounds to act however the hell you want and swear and refuse to co-operate with the police does it?

She was acting like many people do who are angry and upset yet you didn't see her lash out and assault someone.

 

[steve-h]

Dont forget why she was there in the first place. Sleeping off a night on the lash in her car, and failing to give a breath test. As far as I'm aware being drunk in a car, and in possession of the keys accounts to being drunk and in charge of the vehicle, asleep or not.

Drunk, uncooperative woman dragged to cell when she refuses to walk and use her own legs.
Or brutal man dragging the poor innocent woman to a cell because he's a bad cop.

The choice is yours and likely depends on how much bother you've had with the law yourself, and therefore what preconceived opinions you hold. The truth as always will be shades of grey.

An old woman asleep in her car... where else would her keys be?

While the force he used to throw her into the cell seemed OTT, if this was a dangerous criminal, would the paper be up in arms?

But she wasn't a dangerous criminal

From a complete outsider's perspective, I think there is a bit of a problem in the police force. I think it breeds a feeling of superiority, and it leads to situations such as this.

I think something should be done to remind police officers that they are actually serving society as a whole. The feeling towards that woman shouldn't have been one of disdain or that she was subject to the complete control and authority of the sergeant, but that he was there as a person to help, and that she is no less of a person than he.

100% this, very well said.

Being drunk and in your own car with the keys is a silly idea

how else would you lock the doors? or get in?

If I was arrested for sleeping in my car drunk I think I'd be uncooperative too.

 

[steve-h]

His behaviour was fine, he was dealing with an uncooperative drunk person. The PC dragged the said person and threw them in a cell.

Did you see how much force he used to throw her into that cell?

Saying that he threw her face into the cell with intent on her hurting herself is silly.

Did you not watch the video mate?

Do you actually think that PCs out there get a kick out of throwing senior citizens face first down a concrete floor?

I think that guy gets a kick out of power, yes.

She was drunk and that's why she hurt herself.

Not because he put his whole body weight into throwing her into a cell then?

I can't see the abuse.

Trolling?

He is in authority and he is dealing with a drunk uncooperative person. He has to wrap it up quickly so that he can get back to the beat and catch criminals. I would be infuriated to see the PC actually debating getting into the cell with the said "victim" until she was sobber, knowing that I'm paying him to babysit drunkards.

Since when was she a drunkard?

In my book, if you're drunk and the police get you it's tough.

What's wrong with being drunk?

You'd better cooperate or they will use reasonable force to arrest you and detain you. If you get hurt in the process accidentally (as is this case) then by all means file a complaint and a law suit and what you feel like.

Trolling? How was it by accident? He put his whole bodyweight into throwing her into that cell... you could CLEARLY see from the tape that he wasn't fit for his job. He was using a ton of unneeded aggression.

 

[Gackt]

If you are arrested and haven't done anything wrong, that does not give you the grounds to act however the hell you want and swear and refuse to co-operate with the police does it?

And that doesn't give the police the right to brutally assault someone.

 

[Surfer]

Brutal assault? If you think thats a brutal assault then i fear you have lived a sheltered life.

Anyway hes lost his job and he's going to prison and the victim will get some money from the papers for her story (no doubt as well from criminal injuries compensation)

So that should be the end of it.